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Old February 6 2012, 06:35 AM   #241
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@Captaindemon, of course you're allowed to state your opinion, it just seemed like you were arguing like it was the first time that had been brought up in the thread, which it has not been. I also said your point is well taken as well.

@Nerys Myk I think House of UIster is referring to Century and LXG 2009 which is the current volume of the series. Moore has just revealed a Captain Nemo mini-series as well.
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Old February 6 2012, 08:15 AM   #242
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since Watchman was simply a riff on existing superheroes (the fact he planned to use the Charlton characters, etc) then if they do prequels, all they're just going to do are rehashes of stories and characters of years gone by.
This is a very good point. Watchmen was basically Moore taking the Charleton heroes and using them as a satire/deconstruction of various superhero archetypes (the supergod, the grim vigilante, the millionaire playboy, the underdressed babe, the military/superspy, the supergenius).

Once a company starts doing more stories with them they risk turning into nothing but generic superheroes.

There's also the challenge of any prequel (as we all know from George Lucas): the audience knows how the story ends and the writer has to tell a story where the characters can't actually change and existing continuity has to stay intact. That makes any drama difficult to construct.
That would be a good idea for a thread. Prequels that actually worked.

The first that comes to mind is Dixon and Wisenfeld's Team 7. Way better than any of the comics it was prequelling to (WildC.A.T.s the periods and capitalization are important, Stormwatch, Gen 13).

P.S. whatever happened to Aron Wisenfeld? That guy was awesome. They should get him to draw that Comedian thing. He's gritty. J.G. Jones: not gritty. Actually, seriously, why the hell is J.G. Jones drawing a comic about killing kids in 'Nam? I'm always happy to see Jones do sequential art as opposed to simply collect paychecks for covers and therefore fail to properly entertain me, and he can obviously do ultraviolence, but he's not gritty. Wanted was not gritty. Wanted was a joke. A funny one, but yeah.
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Old February 6 2012, 03:21 PM   #243
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@Captaindemon, of course you're allowed to state your opinion, it just seemed like you were arguing like it was the first time that had been brought up in the thread, which it has not been. I also said your point is well taken as well.
You did indeed and I know you're too civil to suggest that someone shouldn't express their opinion. But you have to remember that not everyone reads all of a thread this long all the way through.
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Old February 6 2012, 06:41 PM   #244
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Nite-Owl and Batman do have similarities so it's not surprising that the book would be Batman-esque.
I would lean more towards Blue Beetle-esque.
Who is a clear knock-off of Batman.
I would call him an improvement on Batman.
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Old February 6 2012, 10:41 PM   #245
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I've long thought that Nite Owl and the Comedian were both Batman, actually; each representing different aspects of the character.
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Old February 6 2012, 11:44 PM   #246
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I've long thought that Nite Owl and the Comedian were both Batman, actually; each representing different aspects of the character.
What about Rorschach? In some ways he's closer to Batman than the Comedian--who was just a dude with a gun. At least Rorschach investigated.

Moore may have thought about Bats while he was writing, but, of course, Nite Owl, Comedian, and Rorschach were based on The Blue Beetle, Peacemaker and The Question.
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Old February 7 2012, 12:09 AM   #247
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I've long thought that Nite Owl and the Comedian were both Batman, actually; each representing different aspects of the character.
What about Rorschach? In some ways he's closer to Batman than the Comedian--who was just a dude with a gun. At least Rorschach investigated.
D'Oh! Yeah, I misremembered - should have said Rorschach, not the Comedian. Well spotted!
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Old February 7 2012, 10:15 AM   #248
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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not, but just in cast it hasn't, why not...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/alan-...ples-ch,68911/

Moore's logic doesn't really make much sense to me (better to steal from the dead than the living?), but there it is.
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Old February 7 2012, 05:59 PM   #249
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A Huffington Post columnist is using Before Watchmen as an example of "what is killing mainstream comics". He also takes a bat to the New 52, though he also seems to be suggesting that comics abandon old characters in favor of the new. Or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-...ure&ir=Culture

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Old February 7 2012, 06:40 PM   #250
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I would lean more towards Blue Beetle-esque.
Who is a clear knock-off of Batman.
I would call him an improvement on Batman.
To the extent that the Monkees were an improvement on the Beatles, yes.
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Old February 7 2012, 06:44 PM   #251
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Who is a clear knock-off of Batman.
I would call him an improvement on Batman.
To the extent that the Monkees were an improvement on the Beatles, yes.
I'm Not Your Stepping Stone...

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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not, but just in cast it hasn't, why not...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/alan-...ples-ch,68911/

Moore's logic doesn't really make much sense to me (better to steal from the dead than the living?), but there it is.
I don't think it's quite that... rather he feels he's not redoing the stories but repurposing the characters for new stories. I guess his thinking is the characters of Watchmen could/should only be used for a SINGLE story, and these prequels are adaptations...

I think it's a little bit fine of a distinction, but, that's how he's seeing it.

It's a little to philosophic to convince anyone, personally. But, he's got to justify it somehow.
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Who is a clear knock-off of Batman.
I would call him an improvement on Batman.
To the extent that the Monkees were an improvement on the Beatles, yes.
I actually thought they were.
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Old February 9 2012, 09:30 PM   #253
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We're getting Before Watchmen merch. Rorschach and The Comedian statues have been announced. "The Dark Knight Rises" busts and action figures are included in this as well.

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=45575
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Old February 9 2012, 09:36 PM   #254
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A Huffington Post columnist is using Before Watchmen as an example of "what is killing mainstream comics". He also takes a bat to the New 52, though he also seems to be suggesting that comics abandon old characters in favor of the new. Or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-...ure&ir=Culture

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Old February 15 2012, 11:04 AM   #255
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This contains new art from Darwyn Cooke's "Minutemen" book...thought BC would pick this story up. It was also carried on Newsarama I believe.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/...hmen-contract/

I might have to add the "Minutemen" book to the others I'm interested in.
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