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View Poll Results: Rate To Brave the Storm.
Outstanding 8 11.11%
Above Average 24 33.33%
Average 26 36.11%
Below Average 9 12.50%
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Old October 28 2011, 12:51 PM   #46
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Re: Enterprise: The Romulan War: To Brave the Storm review thread

I'm on the fence about picking this book up. I didn't finish Raptor's Wing, I gave up on it. However I've wanted to read/see the Romulan War for a long time and am interested to see how Mr. Martin wraps up the war. Can Brave be read as a standalone? Or do I have to finish Raptor to understand it?
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Old October 28 2011, 05:19 PM   #47
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There are storylines continued from Beneath the raptors wing it would be kind of confusing if you don't read the other novel first.when it comes Valdore plans to win the war their war against earth and their allies. also what happens with the attack on Vulcan at the end of Beneath the raptor's wing.It's important to know what happens on Vulcan and the aftermath affects the Vulcan people when you begin reading the first chapter To Brave the storm.
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Old October 28 2011, 08:02 PM   #48
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Just started and nothing major happening so far.
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Old October 28 2011, 09:43 PM   #49
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Yes, that's how I felt too. You put some of it in better words that I did. I like what the book does offer a lot, but it just kept jumping so much in time out of need to cover the whole rest of the war, that the material doesn't have anywhere near the heft and resonance Beneath the Raptor's Wing did. That sheer, satisfying scope.[/QUOTE]

On reflection, me three, too.

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The Romulans' conduct here was rather surprising for me in that the novel leans in the opposite direction to what is usually done with them in Trek lit. Where most novels, in my view, are concerned with the sympathetic or at least "honourable" aspects of Romulan culture (while ensuring the brutality and manipulation is still very much evident), this one highlighted their most disturbing behaviours (while ensuring their unique sense of honour and ethics were still notable).
Duane's original version of the Rihannsu had the Earth-Romulan War be a defensive war from the Romulan side, with the Romulans' civilian populations being the one potentially at risk from a numerically and technologically superior opposing force. (Note that I said "potentially".) In FASA's RPG setting, the Romulan War was an expensive deep-space war, fought in a frontier region that seems to have lacked substantial Federation or Romulan civilian populations.







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Very good points. I really enjoy your insights on the Romulans, rfmcdpei. You're good at tying all the various portrayals together, giving a sense of their nation's history as one big tapestry.

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Old October 29 2011, 11:37 AM   #50
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Old October 30 2011, 09:43 PM   #51
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Starting the battle of 83 Leonis. Starfleet is vastly outnumbered.
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Old November 1 2011, 02:31 AM   #52
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Just reading over this thread, I take it there aren't too many Stargate fans posting in this thread who've finished.
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Old November 1 2011, 09:13 PM   #53
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I finished it. Perhaps there could have been more details filled in if there was another book on the War series.
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Old November 1 2011, 10:35 PM   #54
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I definite think there need to be a sequel To brave the storm fill in the missing scenes in the latest novel I think the latest shoul've been a longer length so we could find out happened
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Old November 1 2011, 11:50 PM   #55
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70% through and not enjoying this book at all. I understand there was a lot to cover and not a lot of pages to do it in but the book skips around so much it more like a compilation of short stories than a novel. And it seems all the action sequences are skipped. I get geared up for some action . . . and then the book skips to the action's aftermath.

It is like Martin tried to trim all the excess he had in the first book only to cut out the best parts.
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Old November 3 2011, 01:23 AM   #56
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Just wrote my review of it. I think I liked it more than most people here seemed to, but it's very clear that the book suffered from the shortening of the trilogy down to a duology. It's really unfortunate, but I did still enjoy it for the most part.
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Old November 3 2011, 09:10 AM   #57
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Finished last night, enjoyed it

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Old November 3 2011, 05:21 PM   #58
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I liked To Brave the storm I'd like to see more Enterprise being written and published. I'd like to see a sequel To Brave the storm to fill in the missing scenes of what happened to the characters during the Romulan the seemde so rushed we didn't get to see in the end of the book.There's certainly alot of important scenes thet were cut out of the book.That needs to be addressed.
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Old November 3 2011, 05:58 PM   #59
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my review:

Michael Martin has managed to butcher Enterprise’s potential and leave me feeling as let down with this series as I was after watching the show’s television finale. The failings of this book begin on the cover where you see multiple NX class ships in a battle with “War” in the title. This is extremely misleading as the Enterprise is the only NX ship in the book and all the major battles and incursions in this war are skipped over save the final one with Enterprise rarely supporting the war effort. Reading this novel is like tuning into a football game only to have the reporters focus completely on what’s happening with the players on the bench.

Granted, the editors at Pocket Books cut the series down to two books, but rather than make the most of this with an action packed and morally provocative story with rich character development, Martin skips over the meaningful parts in a careless way that leaves the book without depth or emotion. So I’m glad I know how the war went but I am left feeling like I would if my entire knowledge of WW2 came from its Wikipedia entry.

I’m glad the overabundance of side stories involving forgettable characters and the author’s philosophical musings about warfare that plagued “Beneath the Raptor’s Wings” are not in this book. Even though this was largely done, the book still hops around a lot with large gaps between chapters with every chapter seeming more like its own individual short story than part of a singular and unraveling plot. There were still erroneous and boring mini stories involving Enterprise rescuing ships in distress and the Vissians from ENT: Cogenetor that were not effectively related to the whole and should have been removed in favor of more interesting action sequences and the compelling formation of treaties that concluded the war and formed the Federation.

It was frustrating how Martin would spend pages setting up interesting tactical situations and as you are ready for a great battle sequence, the action sequence would be skipped over and take the reader directly to the aftermath. A major victory for the Romulans was taking an enemy dockyard, but we just get what happens after they’ve secured it. Later a Romulan ship is going to execute a masterful strategy against 2 Starfleet ships but then the attack is skipped completely as the Enterprise crew discusses what just happened; the conversation involves dropping the name of an important character in the series so this scene easily could have been developed with an appeal to readers but instead we just get a casualty report which has nowhere near the emotional impact. Later still, there is an attack on Earth and Mars but the pivotal moments are skipped leaving you having to glean what happened by characters discussing it. Is this a war story or a book about desk jockeys talking about a war around an office water cooler!?!

Martin has effectively killed all the enthusiasm I had for ENT novels after reading “The Good That Men Do” and for any of his future works. Though I’m glad to have at least a basic knowledge of how the war went and how the Federation was founded, I feel Martin needs to make like the protagonists in this book and watch Trek stories unfold from the sidelines.
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Old November 3 2011, 06:01 PM   #60
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Additional Thoughts:

Wherever Archer goes, the shadow of the Maru follows him. Aliens he’s never heard of before have heard of and dislike him for the Maru events. I didn’t find the events of the Maru’s destruction that controversial. How can so many aliens who would never be as charitable as Archer judge him for not risking his ship in crew to save another ship when it is being assaulted by a superior hostile force? I find it a bit of a stretch that word of this incident has spread so far, become so infamous, and emotions over it to last so long when more horrific things have happened since that time. We probably can remember singular disgraceful acts from the Iraq and Afgan War, but how many of us can remember the names of the officers who committed them?

I also keep wondering how Romulan physiology is still completely unknown across the quadrant. I know that TGTMD showed Section 31 and the Vulcan government covered this info up and that the Romulans are secretive but in all those battle sites, no Romulan bodies were discovered on a planet or amidst orbital debris? It would have made more sense for the entire war to be fought through the telepresence ships, telecapture devices, and long range missiles. I find it hard to believe that NO ONE in the course of the war saw a Romulan face and wartime propaganda didn’t capitalize on it and label the Vulcans as Americans often label the French.
T’Pau makes a brave move as a leader sacrificing her personal values to make a controversial decision to do the right thing for a greater good. She puts the needs of the many ahead of her Syranite conscious. I would say T’Pau, in fact, was the only strong and compelling character in the entire novel.

T’Pau’s willingness to help militarily temporarily but then return to indoctrinating Syranite ideals across Vulcan civilization may explain why we see few Vulcans in Starfleet in the 23rd century; the Vulcans have been attempting to root out violence from their culture. So Vulcans may contribute technology to Starfleet, their people at this time are trying to avoid violent engagements amongst their people. The problem with this theory is we know the crew of the USS Intrepid, Tuvok’s parents, and T’Prynn were all in Starfleet and these would have been raised while Syranite principles were becoming firmly entrenched in Vulcan society. Clearly, we could use more development of how Vulcan society evolved between the 22nd and 23rd centuries. Also, if this is the case, how and at which point did Vulcan society achieve a balance of pursuing peace but being willing to make war during the 24th century.
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