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Old January 23 2012, 09:01 PM   #721
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See, that seems kinda cool and not all that nerdy. Even a dream where you meet the actors doesn't seem too nerdy. But a dream where you meet the writers? That's a little too much on the nerdy side of things. And in a dream that contained a sequence where four beautiful women sought to please me the thing that got me most excited was Ron Moore walking into the room? I've waded a bit too far out into the waters of geekdom.

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The House of ̶Q̶u̶i̶r̶k̶ Quark (****)

There's lots to like in this episode but there's one thing in particular that I'd like to comment on. Following the Circle trilogy in season two the show quickly returned to random adventures, a coup on Bajor involving a massive evacuation of the station is followed up with a random evacuation of the station and some crazy guy trying to steal Dax. Thankfully, this episode doesn't make that mistake. Following on from one of the the most important interstellar events in decades, life on the station does not just go back to normal, there are consequences for the people that live there and this episode allows us to see them while also doing a light-hearted story. I like that.

The main story here involves Quark marrying a Klingon woman in order to save her house from her scheming brother-in-law. A Ferengi and a Klingon? That's the most unlikely couple since Winnie the Pooh and Tigger. And before you protest that those two weren't an item, I have pictorial evidence and this time it's not a crappy 'shop I whipped up in MS Paint.



Anyway, back to the episode. The idea of combining the Ferengi with the usually serious (and sometimes far too serious) Klingons is one of those things that's just crazy enough to work. The Ferengi are like vodka, if you drink a full bottle on its own then your liver will fail and you'll die (this may not be true) and it doesn't taste that nice, but if you mix it with another drink it's easier to stomach. That's why my favourite Ferengi episodes are the ones where they interact with the serious races, such as the Vorta. In this case mixing the Ferengi with the Klingons creates some good comedy, such as the Klingon High Council struggling to understand Quark's bookkeeping. It also allows us to see a lighter side of the Klingons while simultaneously seeing a more serious side to Quark.

Meanwhile, Keiko is forced to close the school and yearns for the exciting life of a botanist. This plot isn't great, but it still manages to be pleasant. One of the things that I like about DS9 is that there's a great sense of community to the station and the school played a part in that, so seeing the school close down and having Keiko leave the station to pursue her career shows us the impact that the Dominion threat is having on the community on DS9 and not just on the macro-political level.

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Old January 23 2012, 09:11 PM   #722
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Whisper sweet nothings into that ursine ear, Tigger.

I like this episode too. It manages to combine two elements of Trek that are often overplayed - Ferengi comedy and Klingon bull-headedness - and uses them to offer insight rather than just laughs (while also managing to be genuinely funny). The Ferengi are indeed at their best when they're being used to comment implicitly on other cultures - human, Klingon, whatever - perhaps because the genuine insights they offer don't fall victim to Trek's often moralizing blandness? And that because it is, after all, the Ferengi we're talking about. No-one's convinced they're an "enlightened" culture (they're not supposed to be), so we're free to see the wisdom in them, and the opportunity for reflection on others, without getting bogged down in The Message?

I suppose it also shows the nature of the Quark character - despite being a Ferengi, he's usually a "straight man" isn't he? Compared to other Ferengi, to Klingons, etc. He's the character who is placed in the midst of the wackiness to either blunten it or thrive off of it, rather than be the actual source of the wackiness. I suppose that's because he's serious about the rules he lives by. He's a very principled character, even if those principles are such that he can never be a "hero".

I guess that I see him as a less comical character than he might appear, because while his people's ways are amusing and, to be honest, indeed often silly, he actually takes them seriously and tries his hardest to be a good Ferengi. To me, he's more of a serious character that is, as I say, in the midst of silliness a lot without being the source of it.
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Old January 23 2012, 10:13 PM   #723
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Quark teaching Klingons on the values of honor and courage (and it's not a comedy moment at all!) is one of the most brilliant things ever in Trek. It's some of Moore's best writing, for sure.
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Old January 23 2012, 10:56 PM   #724
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The House of Quark is one of those rarest of gems - a good Ferengi comedy episode.

And, of course, this episode is where Keiko leaves the station for Bajor, thereby allowing O'Brien to pursue his relationship with his heterosexual life partner Julian.
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Old January 24 2012, 12:13 AM   #725
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I heartily endorse this episode.
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Old January 24 2012, 01:33 AM   #726
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Yeah this episode really rocked, it had Gowron, and Grilka (the most cutest Klingon woman ever). This is probably comedic Star Trek farce at its best; with Grilka and her sham marriage with Quark. It is so cool when Grilka forces herself to kiss Quark and then spits on the floor afterwards! This is yet another example of how DS9 mastered the comedic episodes though I still believe Business as Usual is the best of them all (of probably all series combined) when it comes to dark humour.

Another thing is that this episode is reasonably complex plot-wise with the Klingons and Grilka's status as the leader of her house. Plus having the B-plot with Keiko is good, and ties in all the stuff with the Dominion and the general effect on the station and its inhabitants. Real fun to watch!
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Old January 24 2012, 04:56 AM   #727
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I had to go Netflix "The Search" to see what the big deal was about Jadzia's hair. I didn't remember that at all. I don't think it was that bad, it was just so different from the way it had been that it was kind of "WTF?" I think it made her look more "matronly," which I doubt they were going for.
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Old January 24 2012, 05:59 AM   #728
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Oh the hair definitely stood out for me the first time I watched "The Search", no pun intended. I was amused by how it was essentially gone as quickly and inexplicably (well, not as inexplicably) as it arrived.

Really, that hairstyle would be a good argument for the entirety of both episodes being a Dominion simulation.
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Old January 24 2012, 06:47 PM   #729
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Dax (**)

In some ways, this is a vital episode of the show, but it's not an episode that holds up to repeated viewing. It's clearly based on the desire to explore the nature of the Trill and how the host/symbiont relationship works, and that something that DS9 needed to explain, especially since these Trill appear to be different from the ones shown in TNG. But that's the episode's weakness because most of the episode is centred on people explaining stuff that I already know. It's possibly the most realistic interpretation of a court proceeding that I've ever seen as it involves people repeating the same points over and over again with nothing dramatic happening.

Well, one dramatic thing happens at the end, the revelation that Curzon was having an affair with the wife of the man he is alleged to have murdered. I was going to say that this is a get-out-of-jail-free card, but I guess Dax having an affair with a married woman is a stain on the character. Still, it leaves the case unresolved and we never get closure on whether Jadzia should be responsible for any crimes committed by the Dax symbiont. In fact, it's difficult to buy into the notion that there's no precedent in Trill laws or customs as to whether the joining of host and symbiont creates a new person. Even if this is a new area for Bajoran law, surely they would lean heavily towards what Trill or Federation law has to say on the issue. Sisko tells Kira to look into this angle of the case, but it seems that Kira just forgets and it's not brought up in the rest of the episode.

Ultimately, this is an interesting concept for an episode that doesn't quite follow-through, and it gets quite dull if you've seen it before. That being said, there's two interesting things in this episode from the perspective of someone that has seen the whole show. The first is that the Dax symbiont was involved in murdering someone when it was joined with Joran, so it's not hard to imagine that Curzon may have had similar impulses on some level. Secondly, the episode ends with Curzon's ex-lover telling Jadzia to live a long life, followed by a long shot of Jadzia to finish the episode. My initial instinct was to chuckle, but the shot of Jadzia standing there smiling was almost tragic.
I've started watching DS9 for the first time since it became available on Netflix and I finished nuBSG again and Being Human Season1.

This episode is ok as far as explaining relationships between Trill members, but I'm still hung on the kidnapping in the first place. Those guys defeated station safety protocols, assaulted fed members including the doctor, and attempted to evade capture. When they were finally captured, they produced a legal extradition order and suddenly every got over the minutes-earlier attack and moved on to Dax's legal problems. Really?

It seems the extradition force would spend a couple weeks in the brig, then we'd start discussing legalities.
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Old January 24 2012, 07:41 PM   #730
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I freakin' love "The House of Quark." Funny, but also had some that really awesome, serious moment where Quark delivers that speech to what's-his-face who trying to take over Grilka's house, something along the lines of: "And when your children ask for the glorious tale of how you defeated this house, remember to tell them that you killed an unarmed Ferengi less than half your size!" YEAH QUARK THAT'S A BURN!
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Old January 24 2012, 10:36 PM   #731
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Equilibrium (**)

I've made this complaint before when other review threads reached this episode and some found it to be a bit odd, so I'm throwing it out there again for the sake of discussion. I don't like the use of the Defiant in this episode. Here's a new starship that's supposed to be unlike anything we've seen before and they use it as a glorified runabout. I can understand wanting to use the show's major new setpiece, and justify the cost of the ship's model and sets, but using the ship in this way makes it feel less special. It's not helped by how limited the use of castmembers is. Sisko, Jadzia, and Bashir are the only ones to go to the Trill homeworld, the other characters remain on the station, so there's no reason from the point of view of the plot why they couldn't have gone in a runabout, especially since they were going there as a precaution and didn't need to travel at warp 9.99993.

That's not a big enough problem that the episode loses points, it's just something that adds to the awkwardness of the episode as a whole. As I said, only three main characters go to the Trill homeworld so the dynamic feels off. If there had been a b-story back on the station about Odo learning to cook while Kira silently judged him then things might have been better, but as it is the pacing doesn't feel quite right. Two or three characters walk from one room to another slowly filling time until the mystery's big reveal, which isn't all that interesting considering what little reason I've been given to care about Trill society. As I said previously, as a species the Trill are kinda boring and rely on a single gimmick, so I can't say that I care whether or not 50% of them are eligible for the joining process.

All that being said, the character stuff for Jadzia is good enough, and making one of Dax's former hosts a murderer is an interesting direction to go in, not that it means much for the character in the long run. We get to see where the Trill symbionts live which is neat, even though it does once again raise the question as to why someone would even think of sticking something from a pond of goo into their stomach. The Trill interpretation of IDIC sure was extreme.

Also, processors in the future must not have been able to keep up with the shear scale of the galactic digital library system because Shazam took days to figure out what Joran's song was. Or perhaps the Federation's internet was on strike due to new piracy legislation the council was considering. Who knows?
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^A sub-space whirly thing, they always mess up things like su-space comms don't they? :P
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Old January 25 2012, 03:47 AM   #733
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Also, processors in the future must not have been able to keep up with the shear scale of the galactic digital library system because Shazam took days to figure out what Joran's song was. Or perhaps the Federation's internet was on strike due to new piracy legislation the council was considering. Who knows?
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Old January 25 2012, 04:29 AM   #734
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Or perhaps the Federation's internet was on strike due to new piracy legislation the council was considering. Who knows?
Damn Federation Council sticking its nose where it doesn't belong again!
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Equilibrium (**)
Also, processors in the future must not have been able to keep up with the shear scale of the galactic digital library system because Shazam took days to figure out what Joran's song was. Or perhaps the Federation's internet was on strike due to new piracy legislation the council was considering. Who knows?


I love little curiosities like that, just to show how far we've come since the episode was made.

The episode is a bit average on the whole, I agree with you there. I'd give it an extra half star just because I find the Trill more interesting than you! It was a missed opportunity not having Jadzia struggle to contain these murderous thoughts in future episodes, it could have added more strength to her haracter. She had her Zhian'tara and that was retty much it! Ezri spoke to Joran too, but that was two episodes altogether?
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