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Old December 20 2011, 04:51 PM   #571
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Re: TheGodBen Revisits Deep Space Nine

Isn't the whole point of "The Maquis" supposed to be that at the end of the two-parter the Cardassian government is forced to stop arming their settlers because they've been exposed?
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Old December 20 2011, 06:05 PM   #572
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You're finally doing the DS9 review thread? Well, I'll be following it from now on! Let me just put my manly purple hat on to celebrate.
Welcome back. I'd put on my purple hat to celebrate, but it would clash with my yellow skin and people would think I'm from Wexford.



SANTA: Ho ho ho! Merry Christmas!
ME: Screw off, Santa.
SANTA: Oh dear, it sounds like you need some Christmas cheer, Ben.
ME: Go annoy someone else, Claus. And my name is Godfrey!
SANTA: How about a gift to get you into the spirit of the season?
ME: Okay, I want you to take everything relating to Christmas and burn it in a big fire.
SANTA: Oh my, is something the matter?
ME: I just have some bad memories of this time of year and it tends to get me down.
SANTA: Well I have just the gift to cheer you up, an episode of DS9 that focuses almost entirely on Garak!
ME: A new episode or a rerun?
SANTA: ...a rerun.
ME: Okay, I'll take it.
SANTA: Ho ho ho! I knew that would give you the Christmas spirit.
ME: Bugger off, fatso.
SANTA: Oh, stop feeling sorry for yourself and go get laid or something, you miserable git.


The Wire (****½)

This was the last episode of DS9 I watched. The series had been over for a few years and Sky One was repeating it weekdays at 5pm. I missed the first 15-20 minutes of it because I was at a music lesson so I missed much of the setup, and I remember thinking how weird it was that there was an episode focusing on a secondary character like Garak so early in the series. Not that I considered it a bad thing, on the contrary this was the episode that made me realise that Garak was my favourite character on the show. That final exchange ("Especially the lies") is one of my favourite scenes in the show because of how well it encapsulates the Garak character.

There's not much story here, Garak is addicted to the effects of some chip in his head and Bashir tries to save him, there's not much else to it. But the presence of Garak turns what would be an otherwise routine medical story into something special. The episode may be focused on Bashir, but the core of this episode is Garak, his loss of composure, and the conflicting stories he tells about his past. If you love Garak then you can't help but love this episode, and if you don't love Garak then you don't qualify as a lifeform by my definition. This episode tells us so much about Garak without telling us a damn thing about him, which makes it one of the most impressive feats of writing on the whole show.

One thing I noticed for the first time while watching this last night, and I'm surprised it took me this long to notice it, was that Garak, in his third revision of history, mentioned that Enabran Tain retired to the Arawath colony, then Bashir goes there to find Tain. Did Garak slip that little fact into his story hoping that Dr Bashir would go there to find Tain and seek a solution? Probably. Even when he's on his deathbed, Garak is still capable of manipulating people to his will while letting them think that they came up with a plan all on their own.

This episode also adds to the tapestry of DS9, first by referencing the Obsidian Order, then by introducing Enabran Tain. So what starts out as a great Garak episode becomes a little more important when rewatching the show.
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Old December 20 2011, 07:23 PM   #573
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You're finally doing the DS9 review thread? Well, I'll be following it from now on! Let me just put my manly purple hat on to celebrate.
Welcome back. I'd put on my purple hat to celebrate, but it would clash with my yellow skin and people would think I'm from Wexford.
Well, then you won't be looking very manly ... Anyway, The Wire is indeed an amazing episode, with Garak at one of his best performances.
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Old December 20 2011, 07:32 PM   #574
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Out of interest, TGB, what keeps it from the full five stars? What in particular holds it back from your highest score?
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Old December 20 2011, 07:59 PM   #575
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What would keep it from my highest score is that so much of the primary cast gets shoved to the side. It is quite a good episode, but I can't give full props to an episode with such a narrow focus.
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Old December 20 2011, 09:06 PM   #576
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If you love Garak then you can't help but love this episode, and if you don't love Garak then you don't qualify as a lifeform by my definition.
Amen! Preach it!

Honestly, sometimes I think this would be my favorite episode of DS9, if it weren't for "Duet." Garak is awesome, and Garak/Bashir is even awesomer (yeah, I know that's not a word, but this episode gets me so giddy that I use improper grammar!). As you say, Garak is really the focus of the episode, but I love that Bashir is there for him, completely compassionate and determined and not caring about the sins of Garak's past, whatever those sins may be. This is the episode that cements their unlikely friendship, and shows how far they've come, back from the time Garak introduced himself and seemed to just enjoy freaking the young, naive doctor out. The scene where Bashir takes Garak's hand and forgives him for "whatever it is you did," is really quite touching in its own way. And of course "...especially the lies." A perfect closing line to a Garak-centric episode.
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Old December 20 2011, 09:32 PM   #577
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I suppose I should comment on the character of Cal Hudson. What a boring character. For a guy that decides to leave behind his whole life because he believes in a cause, he sure does seem disinterested in all the events that are going down. He's the least impassioned rebel I've seen on television.
That role was badly miscast. As written, it should have been much better.
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Old December 20 2011, 09:37 PM   #578
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That's probably why they never brought Hudson back.

I liked Eddington better anyway.
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Old December 21 2011, 03:44 PM   #579
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The Wire is indeed a very good episode. I would also like to know what held it back from 5 stars - I thought it would have been a sure-fire 5 star episode from TheGodBen.

I like to think all the stories Garak spins here contain at least one truth in them, tangled in with all the lies. That way, it's almost as if Garak is, in fact, telling us about himself but leaving us to do the dirty work of connecting the dots.
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Old December 21 2011, 06:03 PM   #580
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What holds The Wire back is that the story itself isn't very good, you could sum it up glibly by saying that Garak gets sick and Bashir cures him. What makes the episode great are the characters and the performances. Compare that to Duet and you'll see that that episode also had great characters and great performances, but it also had a great story with great twists that left you guessing right to the very end.


Crossover (****)

(To avoid confusion, all mirror characters will have a µ in front of their name because µ -> mu -> MU -> Mirror Universe. Got that? No? Oh well, on with the review!)

It's impossible to discuss this episode without bringing up all the baggage that comes with being a Mirror Universe episode. To me, the Mirror Universe is an example of diminishing returns, with each episode being less interesting and more cartoonish than the last. But there's a reason why they decided to visit that well so often, and it's because this first MU episode was so engaging, and the reason why it's so engaging is because it's played mostly straight. µKira is more interesting as a reflection of Kira than she is as the cartoon villain she becomes. µQuark is a genuinely heroic character that's trying to help the Terran slaves, he's not just the first victim of a recurring joke about µFerengi deaths. µO'Brien gets to give a little heartfelt speech about how he wants a better life, which is something that just wouldn't fit in with the later episodes in this arc. This universe may be a twisted joke but it's real to the people that live in it, and that's why I prefer this episode to the ones that come later.

The best thing about the episode is µKira, because she's Gul Dukat in a more pleasing form. She claims to be kind but she's more brutal than she needs to be, she expects the Terran slaves to love her even though she sees them as beneath her, she enjoys her sexy-times with her subjects, and she's narcissistic beyond belief. She is a Bajoran Gul Dukat, she is everything that Kira hates and she's wearing her own body. And the worst thing for Kira is realising that this could well have been her if the circumstances of her life had been different. Unfortunately, this is the only time that the two characters have substantial interaction with one another, and we never get to meet µDukat, but once again I must point out that that's a fault of later episodes and not this one. I really liked the uncomfortable attraction that µKira has for Kira, and I'm right there with Nana Visitor in preferring to imagine that that stemmed purely from narcissism and not from the bisexualism-leaning-towards-lesbianism that comes about in later episodes.

Being an alternate universe story, we get to see the actors having some fun playing the alternate versions of themselves. µGarak is just as scheming as Garak, but his ambition overshadows his abilities. µOdo gets to live out the fascist dreams of Odo. µO'Brien... well, he gets treated like crap no matter what universe he lives in. The standout character is µSisko, whom Avery Brooks plays with just the right amount of ham.
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Old December 21 2011, 07:24 PM   #581
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Loved "Crossover".

The first time I saw it the scene of the runabout fleeing the Mirror-DS9 stood out for me...I don't think we'd seen something quite like that before. There's also such a great sense of desperation for Kira and Bashir...if they don't get out of there, they're dead, and that's all there is to it.
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Old December 21 2011, 11:00 PM   #582
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MU episodes are always good.

Although, I find myself a little bit curious as to how any species can actually continue to exist in a universe where basically all of the females are attracted to the same gender. I think they overdid that a little bit.
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Old December 21 2011, 11:08 PM   #583
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I agree, the stuff with µKira (and pretty much every other female in the µuniverse as well) being bi/lesbian was awful, really cheapened the universe, and is pretty offensive as well (the evil universe having all homo/bisexuals). But that stupidity doesn't come in until The Emperor's New Cloak, I think, when the µuniverse suddenly becomes the "OMGZ LEZBIANZ HAWT"-universe. Crossover is brilliant, and I always took µKira's attraction to Kira as narcissism too.

I love the µ notation, btw.
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Old December 22 2011, 07:20 AM   #584
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Intendant Kira ... *fans self*. Woo.

That's about all I can manage at the moment. Good review.
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Old December 22 2011, 12:21 PM   #585
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I think Intendant is a bit narcissistic, but she is very self-indulgent, she enjoys her pleasures, and is a slave to her desires. Intendant Kira's fascination with Kira is part morbid sexual fascination, and the fact there are two of herself (in appearance). Had Kira stayed any longer in the MU, the Intendant would have treated Kira like some sort of toy or treasured possession. This would probably have descended into kissing and sex; all forced upon Kira by the Intendant, as the Intendant 'explored' her double.
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