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Old February 22 2013, 06:18 AM   #1876
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What a waste of an interesting story. I never knew that they planned to have Kira and Odo go find the cure together; that really would have been a fascinating confrontation.
I never knew that either. It would have been a very different Section 31 story, sending two non-Starfleet people. I'm not sure how that would have turned out, but it definitely changes the dynamic since Section 31 couldn't use the usual excuse of "we're all Starfleet here, just let us do our work."

Storytelling aside, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to send Bajoran Militia to Section 31 headquarters in search of assistance, rather than sending Starfleet officers. Unless the idea was that they're actually breaking in, which would have been awesome.
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Old February 22 2013, 03:01 PM   #1877
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I can understand budget cuts scaling down on big ideas, but how much money would it take to just have our characters talk to Sloan, rather than jump about in his head
The strange thing about the show's budget problems is that The Dogs of War contains a completely unnecessary visual effect of an extra transporting into ops. It's a cool shot, but considering the fact that the previous episode had been scaled back, and the finale was going to have to use stock footage for some of the battle sequences, where did the money for that unnecessary effect come from?


The Dogs of War (***½)

After the mess of Extreme Measures, the show only has one episode left with which to set up the finale. The first bit of set up is the introduction of the new Defiant and its terrible carpet. Who decided that purple was a good colour for the interior of a starship? What is this, the freakin' Andromeda?

On Cardassia, Kira, Garak, and Damar somehow escape a Dominion ambush. Thankfully, we don't see their exciting escape or their daring journey to the capital, we get to see them hang out in a dark basement. Seriously though, bringing back Mila was a wonderful bit of continuity, and she's instantly memorable even though she only appeared in one scene back in season 3. Unfortunately for Damar, his entire band of merry men are wiped out by a Dominion attack. How did this happen after Kira reorganised the rebels so that precisely this sort of thing couldn't possibly happen? We don't know, and Kira seems to think it doesn't matter, probably because she's embarrassed her plan didn't work. On the plus side, Kira manages to convince Damar to turn the rebellion into a full-scale revolution, and Damar gives an inspiring speech about FREEDOM!! while Kira watches from the shadows. Kira has finally achieved what she has always wanted, she's blowing up shit on Cardassia real good.

So that the Section 31 arc isn't a total loss, Odo has a few great scenes in this episode that get to the core of what the previous episode should have been about. He's none too happy that Section 31 attempted to commit genocide against his people, and is further aggravated by Starfleet's refusal to hand over the cure to the Founders. It's an understandable decision for Starfleet to make given the circumstances, but Odo makes the wry observation that the Federation clearly isn't motivated to do anything to stop Section 31 while they serve the Federation's interests.

In order to get it over with at long last, Bashir and Ezri finally hook up. Hardly the best story DS9 has ever produced, but an interesting parallel to Bashir's introduction on the show where he was leering at Jadzia.

Quark has been sadly forgotten during most of this final arc, and this episode does its best to complete his character arc with a certain amount of dignity. Not much dignity, mind you, but he gets about as much dignity as a Ferengi ever gets. I don't completely buy that Ferengi society underwent such rapid reforms in the space of a couple of years, or that Quark has been so busy thinking about Ezri that he didn't pay attention to what amounts to a revolution for Ferengi society back home. But these things are just a means for Quark to give one final bombastic speech about the marvels of greed. I also struggle to imagine that Rom would be accepted as Nagus by the majority of Ferengi, and I fear he will end up dead within 2 years, but since there's only 1 episode left the show wont have to deal with the sad consequences of this decision.

The Federation have developed a countermeasure to the Breen weapon, so Dead Fish has decided to withdraw all Dominion forces back to their space. Sisko decides that now is the best moment to go on the offensive, and because he's such a badass the leaders of three massive empires decide to do as he tells them. The final battle awaits...

Oh, and Sisko forgot to take his pill and accidentally knocked up Kasidy. They're doomed!
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Old February 22 2013, 05:32 PM   #1878
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It's been a long time since I've seen Dogs of War, but I do remember it being interesting how Rom was named the new Grand Negus. I haven't read the relaunch, but was this plot ever brought up in the books and the consequences of such decision. I do wonder if Rom being the new Negus was something that should have been done before the Final Chapter began.
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Old February 22 2013, 05:37 PM   #1879
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Quark has been sadly forgotten during most of this final arc, and this episode does its best to complete his character arc with a certain amount of dignity. Not much dignity, mind you, but he gets about as much dignity as a Ferengi ever gets.
Pretty much, yeah. This episode does an ok job of closing off this storyline, and Quark's speech is fairly memorable, partly as a send-up of Picard's tirade about the Borg in First Contact, as I recall.

Having said that, the decision to try to flesh out Ferengi society as a kind of farcical sideshow to the rest of DS9 was probably the show's biggest mistake.

It's especially unfortunate that Quark gets so caught up in it. Great character anyway, but... he deserved better material in the later seasons.
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Old February 22 2013, 07:27 PM   #1880
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Yeah, Quark deserved better than his annual Ferengi hijinks. He was better man than that. Better than any of us.

As far as Ferengi escapades go, this episode is not too bad. It helps that they don't dominate the whole episode, as their jokes quickly wear pretty thin. But at least they had some token development along the way, even if it meant their society changed overnight. Too little, too late really, but meh.

The latest part of Ezri's romantic comedy is alright. Bashir finally getting the Dax he pined for in the early part of the series is a fun idea, even if the actual lead-up to it was dullsville.

The announcement of Kasidy's pregnancy was a nice moment, only to be shat on by the 'great sorrow' saga.

Far and away the best part is with Damar, Kira, Garak and Mila, which should have been a spinoff; never mind that ENT hooey.
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Old February 22 2013, 09:27 PM   #1881
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Oh, and Sisko forgot to take his pill and accidentally knocked up Kasidy. They're doomed!
This was one of those subtle things I really liked in this episode. It's barely mentioned, but when you take a moment to think about exactly what he implied, it throws the implications of relationship dynamics in the Trekverse into an intriguing light.
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Old February 22 2013, 09:48 PM   #1882
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I haven't read the relaunch, but was this plot ever brought up in the books and the consequences of such decision.
It is - specifically in Satisfaction Is Not Guaranteed by Keith RA DeCandido.

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Old February 23 2013, 09:09 PM   #1883
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Far and away the best part is with Damar, Kira, Garak and Mila, which should have been a spinoff; never mind that ENT hooey.
Seconded. The whole "Kira goes to Cardassia to lead a resistance movement there" concept was an inspired idea to begin with, but it's funny what a genuinely entertaining, merry band of misfits they end up being.

For whatever reason, Kira + Cardassians always worked well. It was the same with her and Dukat, and I liked everything with Ghemor as well.
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Old February 23 2013, 11:55 PM   #1884
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Yep. Kira was a very bankable character. I've just finished the Circle trilogy on my rewatch, and after that, Past Prologue, Battle Lines, Progress, Duet, In The Hands of the Prophets, and even Babel, I'm amazed at how I'd forgotten how well the character was so quickly defined.
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Old February 24 2013, 04:41 AM   #1885
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Yep. Kira was a very bankable character. I've just finished the Circle trilogy on my rewatch, and after that, Past Prologue, Battle Lines, Progress, Duet, In The Hands of the Prophets, and even Babel, I'm amazed at how I'd forgotten how well the character was so quickly defined.
One of the reasons I cringe when people say you can skip Season 1.
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Old February 24 2013, 05:21 AM   #1886
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With the exceptions of Duet and IHOP (sorry, couldn't help myself)...while I wouldn't say any of those episodes aren't necessarily good, I wouldn't call them critical or among DS9's best either. YMMV of course.
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Old February 24 2013, 07:18 AM   #1887
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With the exceptions of Duet and IHOP (sorry, couldn't help myself)...while I wouldn't say any of those episodes aren't necessarily good, I wouldn't call them critical or among DS9's best either. YMMV of course.
I'm not saying they're fantastic, but there's a lot of character development you'd miss. Hell, even "Move Along Home" contains certain useful bits of knowledge about the characters.
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Old February 24 2013, 10:53 AM   #1888
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Yeah that's what I meant. For example, Babel is a bit of a strange illness-of-the-week episode, but the way Kira goes about trying to find the guy she needed was very interesting. In fact that episode was good for a lot of the characters, even if the plot was pants.
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Old February 24 2013, 11:38 AM   #1889
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Progress and Battle Lines are pretty good, and definitely shouldn't be skipped. Past Prologue introduces us to mr. Garak, enough said.
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Old February 24 2013, 02:53 PM   #1890
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Oh, and Sisko forgot to take his pill and accidentally knocked up Kasidy. They're doomed!
This was one of those subtle things I really liked in this episode. It's barely mentioned, but when you take a moment to think about exactly what he implied, it throws the implications of relationship dynamics in the Trekverse into an intriguing light.
I liked the fact that Bashir reminds everyone on the station, including his boss, to take their contraceptive.

BASHIR: Good morning, Captain. Planning on having recreational sex this month?
SISKO: Um... probably.
BASHIR: Then remember to take your injection.
SISKO: Yeah, thanks.
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