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Old July 4 2013, 09:33 AM   #271
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Now come on WB Animation, re-release BTAS complete collection again!!!
Wasn't that a limited edition kind of thing?
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Old July 4 2013, 02:26 PM   #272
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The titles are slick, I am really interested in how this is going to turn out. I'm not so crazy about the designs of Professor Pyg and Toad that I've seen but I see potential in the animation to grow on me. Especially since I think I'm one of the few that got enjoyment from The Batman, there was some solid animation and fight choreography there if you gave it a chance.
I also throughly enjoyed The Batman, the prior mention of disdain for it was the first I can recall seeing. I own the whole series and in lieu of having the BTAS I find it a good series.
I think some people judged it for not being BTAS instead of taking it on its own merits. I can appreciate someone honestly not liking it or thinking it was good but some people seemed to just dismiss it out of hand.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:38 PM   #273
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It took me a while to get into both "The Batman" and "Brave and the Bold", but once I did I absolutely loved them. I suspect it will be the same for "Beware the Batman". Each animated series since "Batman: The Animated Series" has brought something different and unique to the overall mythos of the character and franchise IMO.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:44 PM   #274
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I think some people judged it for not being BTAS instead of taking it on its own merits.
I agree. True, it paled next to B:TAS, but it wasn't awful, just relatively mediocre for the first season or two but with some interesting aspects, and improving over time.

And I think a lot of people had trouble letting go of Mark Hamill and judging TB's Joker on his own merits as a character. I think Kevin Michael Richardson did an amazingly good job as Joker -- very different from Hamill's (though there was some Hamill influence on the voice he used), but a virtuoso performance in its own right. As amazing as Hamill was in the role, Richardson has one of the most astonishingly versatile and mutable voices in the business and he was able to give Joker an extraordinary performance range. There was one episode where Batman used VR to go inside Joker's mind, manifested as a virtual Gotham whose every inhabitant was an incarnation of Joker, and each one had a different voice and personality even though Richardson was playing every one. It was amazing, and for all his talents, Hamill could never have pulled it off as well.

(And yes, in this show it was "Joker," not "the Joker." Since it was "the Batman" rather than just "Batman," I guess they wanted to maintain the contrast.)

TB also had an interestingly creepy take on the Riddler (played by Robert Englund) and made much better use of Hugo Strange (initially played by Frank Gorshin until he passed away) than B:TAS did. And the direct-to-DVD movie The Batman vs. Dracula is a fairly good film, much more intense and adult than the show was able to get.
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Old July 4 2013, 06:33 PM   #275
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Mr. Adventure;8334994[I wrote:
I think some people judged it for not being BTAS instead of taking it on its own merits[/I]. I can appreciate someone honestly not liking it or thinking it was good but some people seemed to just dismiss it out of hand.
...or some reached an honest conclusion that the series was an inferior product. Not all productions have merit.

The series is not held in the hearts of many for a reason...or several.
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Old July 4 2013, 07:55 PM   #276
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^I think the truth is in the middle. Compared to B:TAS, yes, it is inferior. But that doesn't mean it's absolutely horrible and worthless. It's just mediocre. At its worst, it's watchable. And sometimes it's actually pretty good.
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Old July 4 2013, 10:31 PM   #277
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Now come on WB Animation, re-release BTAS complete collection again!!!
Wasn't that a limited edition kind of thing?
It may have been.
I'd settle for just the core series with a trimming of extras, or none if they felt that was what made the set "limited".

I'm just not buying a bunch of single sleeves that only have 6-8 episodes on them to complete the run. I don't have that kind of space.
Same thing for the FOX Spiderman and X-Men.
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Old July 4 2013, 11:34 PM   #278
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I really like the opening sequence, it's unique and stylish IMO.

I'm starting to think that I'm going to have to check out Mystery Inc. I never watched it because I figured it was just more of the same, but now I keep hearing about how good it was.

As for BTB, I know at first I was annoyed that they aren't sticking to the regular villains and supporting characters, but as I think about it more I'm getting more curious to see these different characters. For a while now I've been wanting to learn more about the different aspects of the DC and Marvel characters' mythologies and this could be a good opportunity to see some new aspects of Batman's outside of the comics.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:25 AM   #279
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^^ Mystery Incorporated is excellent. One of the rare times that a re-imagining is actually superior to the original.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:15 PM   #280
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Mystery Inc. really was fantastic.
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Old July 5 2013, 06:48 PM   #281
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I think some people judged it for not being BTAS instead of taking it on its own merits.
I agree. True, it paled next to B:TAS, but it wasn't awful, just relatively mediocre for the first season or two but with some interesting aspects, and improving over time.

And I think a lot of people had trouble letting go of Mark Hamill and judging TB's Joker on his own merits as a character. I think Kevin Michael Richardson did an amazingly good job as Joker -- very different from Hamill's (though there was some Hamill influence on the voice he used), but a virtuoso performance in its own right. As amazing as Hamill was in the role, Richardson has one of the most astonishingly versatile and mutable voices in the business and he was able to give Joker an extraordinary performance range. There was one episode where Batman used VR to go inside Joker's mind, manifested as a virtual Gotham whose every inhabitant was an incarnation of Joker, and each one had a different voice and personality even though Richardson was playing every one. It was amazing, and for all his talents, Hamill could never have pulled it off as well.

(And yes, in this show it was "Joker," not "the Joker." Since it was "the Batman" rather than just "Batman," I guess they wanted to maintain the contrast.)

TB also had an interestingly creepy take on the Riddler (played by Robert Englund) and made much better use of Hugo Strange (initially played by Frank Gorshin until he passed away) than B:TAS did. And the direct-to-DVD movie The Batman vs. Dracula is a fairly good film, much more intense and adult than the show was able to get.
First I just want to say, I don't hate this because its not B:TAS. I hate it because it was horribly designed and written. I might have been able to get over the designs if it was written better (except Joker, his design looks like a very bad practical joke), but it wasn't. It was medicore at best, atleast with everything i've seen. I've seen an ok amount of episodes (mostly from the first two seasons, but a bit from after that), and all I remember that was positive about the show was thinking that Batgirl wasn't a horrible character, and was definately better than Batman. The villains were all bad, I never saw an episode that had any of the villains being the least bit interesting, much less threatening. I did watch The batman vs. Dracula. It was very bad, and I remember thinking it was worse than even the normal show.

I suppose Joker from The Batman could have had a good voice actor, I don't remember his voice to well. I just looked up a video of clips of him from The Batman. The voice acting seemed decent. He still has the worst Joker design I think is possible for someone to draw and still be barely recongniseable as Joker. I also seem to recall him actually engaging in a lot of fighting and jumping around like Marvel's Batroc the Leaper (with out the french accent) but its been awhile and I could be wrong about how often he did that. Still, I've liked other versions of Joker that had nothing to do with Hamill's one (which I think is the definative Joker in any media), so it definately wasn't a bias toward B:TAS Joker that makes me hate The batman's villain they call the Joker.

Also, from looking up clips, I just saw they actually used Harley Quinn in The Batman. She looked stupid (although stupidest female design for that show goes to Catwoman, who looks hilariously idiotic) and was apparently a failed TV psycologist. It honestly surprised me that they used her at all, and the clip I saw had her being as mediocre as everyone else on the show. Harley has always been one of my favorite villains, so it sucks that she was on that show. It makes me wonder who else they messed up with that show. I guess I'll have to see if BTB using villains nobody has used because they suck is better or worse than The Batman's way of taking famous bat villain's names and powers and sticking them on characters who (both design and just writing wise) are barely recognisable as the characters they are supposed to be.
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There was a Superman cartoon of sorts at the same time as Superman Returns, namely Legion of Super Heroes, which featured a young Superman as a cast member. (It was going to be Superboy and the Legion of Super Heroes, but they ended up not using the Superboy name. It's unclear whether that was due to the legal disputes over ownership of the title at the time or done in order to tie into Returns. But it premiered 3 months after SR was released and ran for two years.
They had him really thin. I think in the second season they had an edgy superman clone of sorts...
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Old July 6 2013, 05:51 AM   #283
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This looks fine. I'll check it out.
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Old July 6 2013, 09:58 PM   #284
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I think some people judged it for not being BTAS instead of taking it on its own merits.
I agree. True, it paled next to B:TAS, but it wasn't awful, just relatively mediocre for the first season or two but with some interesting aspects, and improving over time.
Just requoting this because, even though i've said a lot about the show, I did just order season 4 from Amazon. Most of my memories of the show are from the early seasons, and a lot of the reviews I've read (even from poeple that hated it in the beginning) were praising it starting around season 3. Plus, while looking up clips a few days ago, there did seem to be some interesting stuff I never saw. So, when I saw S4 on Amazon for a good price, so I ordered it. It was between that and Spectacular Spider-Man Season 1, and I went with this. I like superhero shows so much I figure I should atleast give The Batman's later seasons a chance (I'll probably pick up Spectacular Spider-Man eventually, it gets so much proaise that, regardless of the weird art style, i've decided that I should give it a chance). I went with S4 over S5 because, even though all the team ups sound cool, S4 had some very interesting sounding episodes (plus apparently Paul Dini wrote Harley Quinn's intro episode for this series, and that definately played a role in my getting this season). So, it could go either way, but I'll watch S4 with an open mind.
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Old July 6 2013, 10:39 PM   #285
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^Good choice. The show was pretty mediocre for its first couple of years, but definitely improved later on, since some DCAU veterans joined its staff once Justice League Unlimited came to an end.

Although one thing I regret about the later seasons was the abrupt changes they made in the storyline. The show had been doing some unconventional storylines, focusing on mostly original police characters, particularly Detective Ellen Yin (Ming-Na). Those story and character threads were going somewhere pretty interesting by the end of season 2. But then at the end of the season, all that stuff was abruptly and unceremoniously dropped in favor of introducing Commissioner Gordon and other familiar characters like Batgirl and Robin. It smacked of a change imposed by the network or the studio, maybe out of fear that audiences weren't responding to the new elements and wanted the old familiar stuff. One thing that annoyed me is that they dropped the concept of the Batwave, an advanced electronic monitoring network that sent an alert to Bruce's phone when a crime was reported, in favor of the Bat-Signal, an idea that's a relic of the 1940s and should've been long ago abandoned.

Not that the later seasons' writing staff didn't do good work with the new characters, but I would've liked to see what they'd do with Ellen Yin and Ethan Bennett and Chief Rojas. I wish those characters hadn't just dropped off the map altogether. (Well, Bennett did return briefly.)
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