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Old October 8 2012, 07:13 AM   #391
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Re: TCM Genre movies schedule...

I noticed they had "The Four Skulls of Jonathan Drake" the other day. I remember seeing that one when I was young and being spooked. Not sure what I'd think of it as an adult. Anyone have an opinion on the movie? And yes, I do remember how it ends.
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Old October 8 2012, 09:52 AM   #392
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^^ I taped it and watched it yesterday. I liked it quite a bit. Definitely a B-Movie of its time, but very nice. It makes good use of the usual tropes of jungle curses, primitive tribes, family crypts, elderly gentleman scientists and beautiful daughters. It's a bit more graphicly gruesome than other movies of the era, I think, given the beheaded bodies. The cast was very good, too.

As for Jekyll and Hyde, there's a nice DVD set that has both the 30s and 40s version on it. I think I've mentioned it before. After watching the 30s version, the 40s version feels more like My Fair Lady than a Horror movie.
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Old October 8 2012, 06:18 PM   #393
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I just watched the '31 Jekyll and Hyde. It was a remarkable piece of filmmaking for its day, very technically innovative, with an impressive use of POV shots and clever transitions, particularly the recurring use of diagonal split screens to juxtapose characters and events and convey the theme of duality. I'd love to see a "making-of" featurette or article about it. Plus there were all the transformation effects, of course, and though the dissolves and jump cuts are familiar techniques today, there was one technique used that's still impressive, and that only works in black-and-white. I read about it in The Twilight Zone Companion -- they'd paint the first stage of the transformation makeup on the actor in red (say), then light him through a red filter so it was invisible, and then they'd switch to a green filter so it would fade into view, and he would visibly begin to transform right before our eyes, purely in camera. It was done quite effectively here.

I found Hyde's makeup and behavior more comical than frightening at first, but when it got into his ongoing abusive relationship with Ivy, it became quite chilling and dark. The sexual content was pretty blatant for the era, though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised since it was pre-Code.

I also feel Hyde's appearance was given away too soon. There should've been more mystery about what was going on in that first transformation, some suspense about what the results of Jekyll's experiments were. Heck, in the original story, we didn't find out that Hyde and Jekyll were the same man until after he/they died! True, most of it was told in flashback, which was a very clumsy format for the story, but the movie could've tried to capture some of that sense of mystery.
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Old October 9 2012, 09:08 PM   #394
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Just finished watching the '41 version of Jekyll & Hyde, and I agree with with the opinion that it's greatly inferior to the '31 version. Despite being from a rather accomplished director, Victor Fleming, who'd done Gone With the Wind and The Wizard of Oz, it was a much less innovative, much more ordinary production than the previous film. The casting was also pretty bad. Spencer Tracy was just too nice a guy to be effectively menacing, and as much as I like Ingrid Bergman, it was kind of painful to listen to her trying to pretend to be a Cockney. Though on the other hand, I think this is the first time I've ever seen a Lana Turner movie, and she was really lovely.

The movie also suffered greatly from the Hays Code. The hand of censorship was so heavy that the movie couldn't really explore or depict what made Hyde so evil. It implied that he was sexually violating and abusing Ivy off-camera, but it was executed so sedately that what we saw onscreen made Hyde seem more just uncouth and annoying than cruel and terrifying, so it never really sold the sense of menace. Jack Dawn's makeup for Hyde was also way too subtle, basically just a wig, a small appliance on the brows and nose, some wrinkles around the eyes, and bushy eyebrows, with the rest being just Tracy bugging his eyes and grinning. Fredric March's Jekyll turned into an apelike brute, but Tracy essentially turned into Burgess Meredith as the Penguin. No, strike that; at least the Penguin was interesting to watch. Plus it was completely ridiculous that nobody could tell that Jekyll and Hyde were the same man. At least Clark Kent had glasses. The whole thing was kind of embarrassing, and greatly disappointing.

Although I guess it's kind of appropriate that of two consecutive versions of DJ&MH, one would be good and the other would be bad.
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Old October 9 2012, 09:16 PM   #395
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Re: TCM Genre movies schedule...

Really, Christopher, never seen a Lana Turner Movie? Wow, that's surprising. Don't do Classic Dramas much, then?
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Old October 9 2012, 09:20 PM   #396
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Nope.
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Old October 9 2012, 09:38 PM   #397
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On the Lana Turner front, you should check out the version of The Three Musketeers where she plays Milady. Plus, as a bonus, you get Vincent Price as Richelieu.

Yeah, the Code really gets in the way sometimes. There's a great 1940's movie about Jack the Ripper, THE LODGER, which is hobbled by the fact that, apparently, they couldn't acknowledge what exactly the Ripper's victims did for a living. So you get lots of dialogue about how the Ripper is prowling the streets of Whitechapel looking for "actresses."
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Old October 9 2012, 09:51 PM   #398
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Although I guess it's kind of appropriate that of two consecutive versions of DJ&MH, one would be good and the other would be bad.


At least back then no one thought he turned into the Incredible Hulk.
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Old October 9 2012, 10:47 PM   #399
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Could I request that this thread be pinned? It seems to have become a pretty regular feature, and it's a bit hard to track down when it falls off the main page (since the natural search term would be "TCM" but the board's search engine can't handle anything shorter than four characters).
I PMed Neroon about it, we'll see if he concurs...

ETA: No, he decided not to pin it... we'll survive. Try seaching on "genre", that seems to work well enough.
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Old October 9 2012, 11:02 PM   #400
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Yeah, the Code really gets in the way sometimes. There's a great 1940's movie about Jack the Ripper, THE LODGER, which is hobbled by the fact that, apparently, they couldn't acknowledge what exactly the Ripper's victims did for a living. So you get lots of dialogue about how the Ripper is prowling the streets of Whitechapel looking for "actresses."
There was some of that here too. Ivy in the '31 version was pretty clearly a working girl, so to speak, but in the '41 they went to some lengths to establish that Ivy wasn't... wasn't... (insert meaningful pause), but was just a fun-loving girl who was "a little too generous" with her affections.

Given the radical difference in censorship, I'm surprised the '41 movie hewed so closely to the '31 film's storyline. I mean, that's a movie that's heavily dependent on the sexual nature of Hyde's relationship with Ivy to demonstrate how brutal and abusive he is. Try to tell the same story with the sexuality swept under the rug and it's rendered hollow. Maybe they should've told a different version of the story altogether, one where Hyde's evil was demonstrated through crime and violence and stuff they could actually show, instead of nebulously implied sexual cruelty. After all, the original Stevenson work doesn't include the Ivy character or the fiancee, and avoids specific description of Hyde's debaucheries aside from a murder or two.


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At least back then no one thought he turned into the Incredible Hulk.
In this case, it would've been more entertaining if he had.
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Old October 9 2012, 11:19 PM   #401
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"HYDE SMASH!"

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Old October 9 2012, 11:32 PM   #402
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And that whole thing about the fiancee and her disapproving father is very reminiscent of Betty and Thunderbolt Ross...
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Old October 16 2012, 10:45 PM   #403
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Re: TCM Genre movies schedule...

Okay, this is what we've got for this Wednesday's horror marathon:

8:00 PM
Horror of Dracula (1958)

9:30 PM
Curse of Frankenstein, The (1957)

11:00 PM
Mummy, The (1959)

12:45 AM
Gorgon, The (1964)

2:15 AM
Devil's Bride, The (1968)

4:00 AM
Plague of the Zombies, The (1966)

5:35 AM
Tell-Tale Heart (1941)


AMC is showing horror movies all month, too, but it looks like mostly Friday the 13th so far.
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Plague of The Zombies - Is this a Romero type Zombie movie or a Voodoo style Zombie flick?
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Old October 16 2012, 11:22 PM   #405
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^According to the synopsis in the link, it's a voodoo-type movie. Which makes sense for 1966, since the co-opting of "zombie" for non-voodoo-related walking dead pretty much began with Romero's Night of the Living Dead two years later.
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