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View Poll Results: Grade 'Neither Here Nor There'
Fringe-tastic! 4 11.43%
Above Average 16 45.71%
Stuck Between Two Universes 11 31.43%
Below Average 3 8.57%
I Didn't Think Fringe Could Be This Bad 1 2.86%
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Old September 24 2011, 02:51 AM   #46
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Re: Fringe 4x01 - "Neither Here Nor There" (Discussion, Spoilers)

Olivia looks less frumpy here than she did in the original timeline.
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Old September 24 2011, 02:57 AM   #47
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Going back on my Peter-rant, here's another question: Why was Olivia in a position to get switched with Alt-Liv if there was no Peter to go rescue in the first place?

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Old September 24 2011, 02:58 AM   #48
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Going back on my Peter-rant, here's another question: Why was Olivia in a position to get switched with Alt-Liv if there was no Peter to go rescue in the first place?

The answers bring more questions.
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Old September 24 2011, 03:00 AM   #49
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The last one is R.

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Old September 24 2011, 03:01 AM   #50
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Yes! Peter is still hanging onto the Fringe universe. Can't wait to have you truly back, Peter.
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Old September 24 2011, 03:02 AM   #51
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Good episode, nothing special. Lincoln is a good addition to the show (apparently Bolivia doesn't recognize him) and the last five minutes were good.
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Old September 24 2011, 03:03 AM   #52
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Going back on my Peter-rant, here's another question: Why was Olivia in a position to get switched with Alt-Liv if there was no Peter to go rescue in the first place?

The answers bring more questions.


I think this is going to be a frustrating season. Anyway, I voted 'stuck between universes'. I knew we wouldn't really get any answers, but I was hoping for something a little more coherent. Hopefully, it'll improve over the next few weeks.
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Old September 24 2011, 03:05 AM   #53
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Good episode, nothing special. Lincoln is a good addition to the show (apparently Bolivia doesn't recognize him) and the last five minutes were good.


I don't know, the way Bolivia looked at him, I got the impression that she knows his counterpart. I mean, that shouldn't be different if the basic structure of our universe is much the same (Walter in the looney-bin, Liv and Scott, Asteroid working in the lab).
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Old September 24 2011, 03:06 AM   #54
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Yeah, this episode wasn't really an attention grabber to me but the ending did stir up a bit of my interest.
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Old September 24 2011, 03:10 AM   #55
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*Dawson's Creek is playing*

Belly- I saw that man again!
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Old September 24 2011, 03:16 AM   #56
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*Dawson's Creek is playing*

Belly- I saw that man again!

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Old September 24 2011, 03:28 AM   #57
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I'll leave off with one final question: Does Nina still have a fake hand in this reality? Think about it.

Next week, I promise to have a more appropriate cast-photo. See you all then.
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Old September 24 2011, 06:24 AM   #58
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At the risk of sounding like an old-fashioned broken record, I'm really having a hard time accepting this re-written timeline as it's being presented if it's the result of Peter never being.

These people shouldn't even be together in the same room if Peter 2.0 never existed. Walter should be in a padded room (with his brain intact), Asteroid should be an agent somewhere else, and Dunham should still be banging Agent Scott.

And Jean should be on a dairy-farm in Wisconsin.
I suppose maybe it's one of those deals where time finds a way to maintain events.


Carl Sagan's theory about history being like a woven tapestry, and if you pulled out one thread or even two, the basic appearance remained the same? I'll buy that, but the thing is, the writers of this show have really pushed the Butterfly Effect notion with events being set into motion by one act - Walter crossing over and taking 2.0 from the other side.

So without that, I just don't see how the two universes interacted. I accept that Walter and Belly still looked into the alt-verse, but there would've no motive to cross over.

I'm just sayin'.
Wait a second, my take on the episode was this:

Walter at some point says, "Some even die twice." And Olivia or Astrid says to Walter (at another point) re:Walternate that he has good reason to hate Walter.

So until the Watcher uses his Radio Shack device to erase Peter from time*, both Peters did exist, and Walter did cross over to steal Alt-Peter (the one we've seen for the last three seasons), but fails to save him. So you still have the foundation intact for why the Walters distrust each other and all that, you just don't have Peter involved in anything past the kidnapping. At least that's my interpretation.

*And when that device is used, it probably won't even change that, but just delete the echoes of Peter from the current timestream. Which is also just a guess.
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Old September 24 2011, 08:55 AM   #59
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It was a good episode. Anna Torv really sold the lonliness part very well. I did appreciate how Lincoln Lee managed to bring a faith to the broken team. I really liked how Astrid went around with the portable camera and had to explain Walter's odd request on the dead woman's body in the car to the other medic.
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Old September 24 2011, 11:58 AM   #60
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So until the Watcher uses his Radio Shack device to erase Peter from time*, both Peters did exist, and Walter did cross over to steal Alt-Peter (the one we've seen for the last three seasons), but fails to save him. So you still have the foundation intact for why the Walters distrust each other and all that, you just don't have Peter involved in anything past the kidnapping. At least that's my interpretation.

That's not a bad theory; it does explain some of the issues I had with the current set-up. Quite likely you are correct, and we'll learn in the next few eps that both Peter Prime and 2.0 did exist, but died as children.

That's brilliant, really. I'll go with that notion until we see something that seems to suggest otherwise.


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