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Old September 20 2011, 04:17 PM   #16
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Michael Dorn has a rich and versatile career beyond Star Trek. Most of it has been in animation voice work, though, so it hasn't been as high-profile (except among animation buffs like me). I'm glad to see him in a live-action role that lets him rise above lazy typecasting.
As long as he's not later revealed to be sinister and part of the conspiracy...
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Old September 20 2011, 04:42 PM   #17
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I felt this restored things to status quo a bit too handily, but I guess it's the nature of this show to be episodic and driven by the case of the week. And at least they came up with a somewhat credible contrivance for putting off the romance a while longer.
I'd not call it status quo.. it definitely has changed. Castle has admitted his love to himself and to her (although it took a maor event to do that) and she knows yet can't admit it openly right now.

The dynamic has definitely changed and kudos to the writers for not taking the easy way of either falling into each others arms the first scene they meet or have her really not remember anything thus slamming down on the reset button.

It is one of the best examples of a little continuation of the will they/won't they game so many shows like to do and in this case it seemed natural and believable.

The show certainly took a darker tone.. a not so likeable new chief, Beckett in serious trouble and Castle on the brink.. i like it but i hope it won't be this dark forever.. i like Castle especially for its humor and Castle's antics and this has to return (and i bet it will.. season premiere was just too soon).

And when i heard that she dumped Dr. Motorcycle-Boy i first clapped and then absolutely knew that she heard him.. my inner shipper is content with the development

And Castle's back! (it was a long summer)
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Old September 20 2011, 05:47 PM   #18
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Wait - THAT WAS MICHAEL DORN?!?

Damn, I must have been half asleep or something!

Anyhoo - I couldn't help but notice how Becket's low neckline DIDN'T reveal a huge honking scar from having her chest cracked open. That's gonna bug me all season.
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Old September 20 2011, 06:18 PM   #19
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^ Yeah she should have had a visible scar even two or three months removed from the surgery. Perhaps she does and was one of the reasons she was wearing that grey turtle neck...although I think I've seen Stana wear that on the series before. I agree as well that the dynamic is different between them, especially with the reveal that Kate remembers everything and was lying that she didn't. I love this show. I don't know why I didn't stick with it from the start or ignored it for so long!
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Old September 20 2011, 06:23 PM   #20
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I felt this restored things to status quo a bit too handily, but I guess it's the nature of this show to be episodic and driven by the case of the week. And at least they came up with a somewhat credible contrivance for putting off the romance a while longer.
I'd not call it status quo.. it definitely has changed. Castle has admitted his love to himself and to her (although it took a maor event to do that) and she knows yet can't admit it openly right now.
I was talking mainly about how fast and easy it was to solve the problem of the new captain expelling Castle from the precinct. And while there have been some subtle changes, Beckett's (feigned) amnesia provided a convenient excuse to walk the characters back from Castle's admission to Beckett and put off dealing with its consequences.


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Wait - THAT WAS MICHAEL DORN?!?

Damn, I must have been half asleep or something!
With that voice, how could it be anyone else? I didn't recognize his face at all -- he seems to have lost a lot of weight -- but there's no mistaking that polished basso of his.
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Old September 20 2011, 06:26 PM   #21
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Wait - THAT WAS MICHAEL DORN?!?

Damn, I must have been half asleep or something!
With that voice, how could it be anyone else? I didn't recognize his face at all -- he seems to have lost a lot of weight -- but there's no mistaking that polished basso of his.
Years ago i remember him being on CNN and at the end of the interview he asked for this little favor, something he wanted to do for ages.. and he said "This is CNN!" in this deep voice.. it was glorious and it took me off the seat
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Old September 20 2011, 07:38 PM   #22
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Wow, I guess I'm the only one who hated it. The episode was all over the place.

And seriously? The new female captain wants to be called SIR?! Is that supposed to be a substitute for a personality?

I was expecting a much better payoff for that fantastic finale.
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Old September 20 2011, 07:52 PM   #23
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And when i heard that she dumped Dr. Motorcycle-Boy i first clapped and then absolutely knew that she heard him.. my inner shipper is content with the development
I rather liked the way they handled him. THey didn't give it much time, because it didn't need much. And Johs was not a jerk. He was understandably emotional doing what he could to save her until another surgeon could arrive. Granted, he didn't give up the scalpel easily... but again.... that made sense. And in a way he did call Castle out, rightly so.



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Years ago i remember him being on CNN and at the end of the interview he asked for this little favor, something he wanted to do for ages.. and he said "This is CNN!" in this deep voice.. it was glorious and it took me off the seat
I had forgotten all about that! Perfect! You don't suppose it's out there on YouTube anywhere is it?


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Wow, I guess I'm the only one who hated it. The episode was all over the place.

And seriously? The new female captain wants to be called SIR?! Is that supposed to be a substitute for a personality?

I was expecting a much better payoff for that fantastic finale.
For my part, I'm not saying it was perfect, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it for a number of reasons. It won't be possible to properly evaluate it for awhile - maybe all season - because it seems they may - and I emphasize "may" - be taking the long view here. Consequently, the new captain's predictably gruff personality will hopefully get more background and explanation.
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Old September 20 2011, 08:31 PM   #24
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And when i heard that she dumped Dr. Motorcycle-Boy i first clapped and then absolutely knew that she heard him.. my inner shipper is content with the development
I rather liked the way they handled him. THey didn't give it much time, because it didn't need much. And Johs was not a jerk. He was understandably emotional doing what he could to save her until another surgeon could arrive. Granted, he didn't give up the scalpel easily... but again.... that made sense. And in a way he did call Castle out, rightly so.
It's not so much that i disliked Josh.. he seemed like a fine guy.. intelligent, good looking and decent but when you root for this other guy you just tend to not like the current bf

However this short scene in the hallway was more than we got the entire season other than him being used as a wrench to throw between their feet whenever it seemed they'd get too close to each other.. a bit of bad writing if you ask me. They could have used him a bit more but that chance has passed.. i'm just curious now when do they blow the whole thing.. another season with longing looks, almost moments and pining will kill me (and will definitely be bad writing.. they get a pass for this season opening because it was well done and believable but don't drag it out needlessly.. there's tons of fun and dramatic possibility within a Kate/Castle relationship).
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Old September 20 2011, 08:33 PM   #25
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I'm with Jinx. I love the show, but I really almost hated the S4 premier. Did they change writers or something? I've come to expect intelligent plots, but this episode was cliché, predictable, and everything was resolved way too handily. The whole formula for the show seems to have altered. One of the things I liked most about the show was that the characters were so supportive of each other. Now things have turned Grimdark™. There's some scary-evil conspiracy monster overshadowing the whole vibe, the new Captain is a stereotypical bitchy-female-in-charge type, Beckett has serious mental issues, and Castle's daughter has a whole new bitchy-disrespectful-teenager personality! Plus, Beckett's new hair/makeup makes her look like a hooker.

On the other hand, Castle's admission that he loved Kate painted the writers into an impossible corner. Shows tend to self-destruct when the main characters finally actually get together. So maybe they did the best they could to extract themselves from that situation, and things will pick up again from here on out. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old September 20 2011, 09:10 PM   #26
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I just got through playing catch up on all 3 seasons and the fourth season primier. I am now hooked on this show. I thought season 3 finally was awesome. the premier it self was pretty good especially adding michael dorn to the cast was awesome. so she remmbers everything that happened including Richard telling her that he loved her. so we now have sexual tension on both sides. and what was up with the computer Richard had do you think he has all the files that were destroyed in the fire?


all so has any one read any of the books?
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the new Captain is a stereotypical bitchy-female-in-charge type
Beyond that, she's channeling every sterotypical asshole Police Captain from every cop show and movie from the 70s and 80s. I can't stand her character at all.

Castle's daughter has a whole new bitchy-disrespectful-teenager personality!
I'll give her a little latitude on this one. She was almost too goody-goody before, so maybe she's starting to see life in a different way. I know I'd change a bit if I was standing mere feet from someone I cared about get shot during a funeral for someone else I liked.

I was great to see Dorn. Seeing his name in the credits I forgot all about him until he showed up at the end. A while ago Fillion said in an interview (maybe Kevin Pollack's Chat Show or Nerdist) that he pitched a story about a sci-fi convention and the star of a long since cancelled show gets murdered and all of his fellow cast mates are suspects. He wanted to essentially have a Firefly reunion, and since Tim Minear is an EP on the show, and they aren't shy about throwing in some Firefly nodds... I don't know if that'll ever get made, but I would love to see that.
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Old September 20 2011, 09:59 PM   #28
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Captain Gates demand to be called sir or Captain reminded me immediately of Captain Janeway's declaration to Tom Paris regarding addressment of rank LOL. Penny's delivery of that line was almost exactly like Kate Mulgrew's.
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I am so glad that's clearly not the direction they're going; Dorn is evidently playing a much gentler, more thoughtful character here, and it's great to see him doing something so different instead of just rehashing something he stopped doing years ago. Heck, even Worf had grown beyond that tedious Klingon stereotype by the time the DS9 writers were done with him.

Michael Dorn has a rich and versatile career beyond Star Trek. Most of it has been in animation voice work, though, so it hasn't been as high-profile (except among animation buffs like me). I'm glad to see him in a live-action role that lets him rise above lazy typecasting.
I know a number of people who think the remake of Beauty and the Beast (the Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton series) is a bad idea because the casting could never be matched. However, I think Dorn would be more than equal to Perlman's Vincent. I somehow doubt he'd be on the CW's radar, but I think he has both the gravitas and the humor to pull it off.
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Captain Gates demand to be called sir or Captain reminded me immediately of Captain Janeway's declaration to Tom Paris regarding addressment of rank LOL. Penny's delivery of that line was almost exactly like Kate Mulgrew's.
I had the same thought too. I'll admit I don't care for the character right now, but I trust PJJ and the writers to hopefully make her more interesting than the typical by the book boss she is right now.
Overall I thought the episode was pretty good. Nothing reallly amazing, but a solid start to the season. I'm curious how where Kate remembering everything, and Castle's investigation will go as the season goes on.
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