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Old September 18 2011, 01:21 PM   #31
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

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Well here's a swept-back try...

Looks very good IMHO
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Old September 19 2011, 11:55 PM   #32
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Moreover, if this had been on the screen during TOS, I think it could have fit the overall aesthetic of Trek at that time.
Except for the fact that the rings would have been thin and delicate, like the pylons and neck on the Enterprise.
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Old September 21 2011, 01:54 AM   #33
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

Hmm, neat idea.

I think I like the earlier version, though. the newer ring seems to have TOO much detail, kind of out of place for TOS, you know?

Still awesome, though.
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Old September 21 2011, 02:08 AM   #34
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

ty! I think I'm going to go for something in-between for the next version, not as plain as the initial one but not as detailed as the 2nd... I want it stronger but perhaps not that strong.
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Old September 21 2011, 02:55 AM   #35
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

How about this? Definitely more TOS-like...

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Old September 21 2011, 05:12 AM   #36
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The only issue I now see is the same thing that sparked a lot of discussion when we saw the Oberth class - are those pods top and bottom inhabited/manned, and if yes, how do you get there?

On first glance, yes, the ring structure seems thick enough to house a turbolift or three (judging from the relative size of the lift housing behind the bridge), but I can't help getting the image that you enter the lift standing from the saucer but end up in lying position upon arriving in those pods. Which, mind you, is a very entertaining image
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Old September 21 2011, 06:32 AM   #37
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^ Not too different than the Gateway Arch really, and that's 20th century tech.

If the ring is thick enough, a turbolift could keep it's orientation somehow.
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Old September 21 2011, 06:33 AM   #38
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I had thought of that... it made me think of the rotating elevator cars in the Gateway Arch in St. Louis lol. I think there's room if you wanted them manned...
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Old September 21 2011, 07:54 AM   #39
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If you think about it, when a turbolift is going sideways, it's in an odd shaped tube, so diagonal or arched shouldn't be a problem.
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Old September 21 2011, 08:05 AM   #40
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^Sure you thought that through? It's the transition that's the problem. Going through an arc the turbolift either has to follow the curve of the tube and end up on it's side or it has to be a shape that is neutral to the shape of the shaft as it changes in cross-section. Like a sphere.
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Old September 21 2011, 12:23 PM   #41
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It could use the same shaped tube as in the sideways movement, it would just have to be curved & tall enough.

It would have to be a turbolift designated only for the ring. Then they wouldn't need to worry about the transition.

Maybe 2 in each quarter of the ring.

As far as thinking it through, not so much. I didn't study turbolift theory
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Old September 21 2011, 01:14 PM   #42
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

Cool, that does look better.

I don't know why the pods should be manned, though... all that's behind the deflector dishes is the the deflector hardware, right? They could use a workbee or something to go out and fix it.

Speaking of which, where is the shuttlebay going?
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Old September 21 2011, 02:31 PM   #43
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Do the nacelles need to be so high up on the ring?

You've placed them so that one could draw an X through the nacelles that would have right angles, but nacelles are usually a bit closer (vertically) to the primary hull.

It'd be interesting to see a mock up with the nacelles resting a bit closer to the saucer.

My idea here is that I wonder if this would make the profile a little less chunky or squarish and create a little visual sleekness giving that sense of forward movement.

It's a cool idea - it would have been neat (and not out of place) to see a ship like this in TOS.
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Old September 21 2011, 04:41 PM   #44
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I'm really liking where this is going. Keep it up!
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Old September 21 2011, 09:52 PM   #45
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Re: TOS "Clipper Ship"

You might find the design comes together easier if you allow the saucer to be more Miranda-ish(though in this case it would need the raised back on the bottom as well as the top). Gives you room for the shuttlebays, some harder angles for the ring to connect to, etc.
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