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Old November 14 2011, 09:41 PM   #901
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OK now tell me if I'm crazy: In the new trailer, where the E-D does its second warp jump from the opening title sequence, I am 99% sure I can see crew members walking around in the little windows below the bridge bubble on top of the saucer.
It's there in the original, although I must confess I never noticed until the TNG HD trailer.
In the original opening you could see Picard or a person in the briefing room. The shot is later used in Encounter at Farpoint.


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Old November 14 2011, 09:43 PM   #902
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i have to say the live action footage looks 100% better in the remastered than it did originally, especially in Far point which always looked like it was shot with a video camera.

Not sure if this will be worth re-buying all 7 seasons.


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Old November 14 2011, 09:56 PM   #903
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OK now tell me if I'm crazy: In the new trailer, where the E-D does its second warp jump from the opening title sequence, I am 99% sure I can see crew members walking around in the little windows below the bridge bubble on top of the saucer. I watched a DVD rip from a later season and didn't see anything like that. Was this part of the original composition, and there just wasn't enough resolution to see it on SD TV or DVD? I doubt it. Why would they have wasted time on a great effect that no one could see? It must be CGI specifically for TNG-HD.
Due to my own mental instability, I can't answer the first question about your craziness.

However, the moving figures in the conference room have always been visible to me, even in 1987 when the show first aired.

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Old November 14 2011, 09:57 PM   #904
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This alone completely sells it for me:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...point1_177.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images2/farpointhd_4.jpg

What the hell did they do in the 80s to make the footage look so cheap and overexposed when it actually looks absolutely wonderful?
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Old November 14 2011, 09:58 PM   #905
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Basically it looks awesome, assuming that is a fair comparison.

So the warp nacelles are going to glow in a whiter color?
It looks like the colors are more accurate in the HD shot. SD video often produced overly saturated colors, with blooming, etc. I don't know if they changed the color timing for the HD shot, but they definitely made the contrast look more normal.

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Old November 14 2011, 10:00 PM   #906
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This alone completely sells it for me:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...point1_177.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images2/farpointhd_4.jpg

What the hell did they do in the 80s to make the footage look so cheap and overexposed when it actually looks absolutely wonderful?
Transferred it to crappy video.


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Old November 14 2011, 10:10 PM   #907
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Wow looks great!! I am getting really excited for this!
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Old November 14 2011, 10:27 PM   #908
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Really? I can't see it at all. If so, I'm disappointed because it means it's less likely that they are doing CGI enhancements.
Yup, it was always there. My friends and I would point out that person all the time.

Why is it disappointing? CGI should only be used when necessary, it shouldn't be used just because it can. We're getting to see many of the effects in a way they could not have been seen back in the late eighties and early nineties. Goes to show the level of artistry they put into their work.

Now, as far as planets go, yes...they are CGI enhancing those...as they should since they were all low res, and blurry.
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Old November 14 2011, 11:04 PM   #909
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I like how Paramount is handling their Star Trek HD projects compared to what Lucas did to Star Wars. At least Paramount has preserved the original presentations of the shows. The original series has both versions on blu, and they are reassembling TNG from the original elements, and only using CGI to replace effects that were done on video.


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Old November 14 2011, 11:37 PM   #910
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OK now tell me if I'm crazy: In the new trailer, where the E-D does its second warp jump from the opening title sequence, I am 99% sure I can see crew members walking around in the little windows below the bridge bubble on top of the saucer. I watched a DVD rip from a later season and didn't see anything like that. Was this part of the original composition, and there just wasn't enough resolution to see it on SD TV or DVD? I doubt it. Why would they have wasted time on a great effect that no one could see? It must be CGI specifically for TNG-HD.
Due to my own mental instability, I can't answer the first question about your craziness.

However, the moving figures in the conference room have always been visible to me, even in 1987 when the show first aired.

Doug
Yep. It's one of the first things I noticed when Encounter At Farpoint first premiered back in 87.
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Old November 14 2011, 11:49 PM   #911
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Yep. It's one of the first things I noticed when Encounter At Farpoint first premiered back in 87.
Wow, you guys must have had way better TV's than I did. That said, In 1987 I was six years old, watching it over the air using bunny ears on a 13" CRT :-)
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Old November 15 2011, 01:56 AM   #912
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As can be seen when comparing these two screenshots (the remastered shot comes courtesy of trekcore.com) the model work was kept but the planet is a new CG creation and not just a cleaned up shot of the original planet. Qo'noS is not a plant realized as a real model that was filmed (like the planets on TOS) but was done in post production, hence the low resolution of the original planet.



This shot alone is fantastic!!! This should be a really big bluray release.
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Old November 15 2011, 02:15 AM   #913
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The only thing I don't particularly like here is the diffusion filter look they've chosen. I noticed it originally on the first shot we got of the ship. It causes a kind of glow or halation around the edges of the ship and planet above. Around the planet is appropriate because it looks like an atmosphere, but around the ship, it doesn't make sense. The nacelle lights perhaps, but not around the whole ship.

If you were really photographing a starship in space, why would you put a filter like this on the lens? It certainly wasn't a part of the original miniature photography.
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Old November 15 2011, 03:59 AM   #914
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Looks great to my eye, and I spent 80 Thousand dollars for NYU film school. Also keep in mind on a 1080p bluray, in motion it will look quite different!
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Old November 15 2011, 06:21 AM   #915
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Also keep in mind on a 1080p bluray, in motion it will look quite different!
It won't be qualitatively different. Sure, in 1080p with higher bitrate it will have less compression artifacting, but that halation/blooming effect will still be there (unless they remove it before release). And we already have this particular shot in motion -- the diffusion filter is present on all 79 frames of that shot. It's also present on the warp-out shot of the ship.

I'm not saying it ruins the shot and is terrible... not at all. I'm just saying it was unnecessary.
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