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Old November 6 2011, 04:58 AM   #796
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Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

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As for the FX, I seriously hope we don't get a carbon copy of the same 5 establishing ship shots and slavish reconstructions of the original ship shots. Some variety and upgrades would be most welcome.
They're not recreating the ship shots in CGI though, they're recompositing the original filmed elements with modern techniques. They'll probably have to CGI new planets, but I would guess that's it...unless they try to throw in a few bonus CGI shots for variety. That would require some skill akin to what Daren Doctorman did in The Directors Edition of The Motion Picture to match the original filmed elements.
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Old November 6 2011, 07:00 AM   #797
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The only quote I've read was that they had over 350 shots of the Enterprise by season 4. I'd assume they probably reached 500 by the end of the series, not 5.
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Old November 7 2011, 08:16 AM   #798
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I'm good with the 4:3, though putting it in 1.66:1 - that I wouldn't mind so much. As one poster either at this thread or the AVForums thread said, that was the format they used in the PAL regions
Uh? On PAL TV and DVDs it looks pretty much 4:3.
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Old November 7 2011, 11:32 AM   #799
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Yeah, someone's being smoking something funny if they think TNG was broadcast in widescreen in the UK. Perhaps they had their TV set incorrectly.
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Old November 7 2011, 10:00 PM   #800
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Some cable stations may have aired it in WS out of not knowing better when WS TVs first started coming out. I believe TBS did that back in the day.
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Old November 7 2011, 10:59 PM   #801
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I can't speak for the US or Canada, but the BBC, Sky 1, and Virgin 1 all showed TNG in 4:3 in the UK - at least for the episodes I caught. I've tried watching a couple of DVD episodes using my TV's zoom facility to crop the picture to 16:9, and the result - while not disastrously bad - required up and down scrolling to keep the action and people's heads framed in view. It also served to hide Jean Luc's shiny, bald pate for some of the time.
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Old November 8 2011, 12:03 AM   #802
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Some cable stations may have aired it in WS out of not knowing better when WS TVs first started coming out. I believe TBS did that back in the day.
If they did that, it was probably 4:3 *stretched* to widescreen. I've seen TNT do that with Bones.
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Old November 8 2011, 02:51 AM   #803
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An "interesting" twist in the TNG-R saga:

"Sins of the Father" - 13 seconds of the original film elements for this episode have not been located and thus have been upconverted from Standard Definition videotape.
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Old November 8 2011, 02:56 AM   #804
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That's unfortunate, but not a deal breaker. Hopefully those elements are minor or located by the time the season sets are released.
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Old November 8 2011, 03:05 AM   #805
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I'm curious as to what these 13 seconds are - I wonder if it would be possible to let the viewer choose between the upconverted video and the video from another take (or even just another angle hiding the speaker, if any).
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Did anyone notice that several seconds of sound fx are missing from this episode as well? Always were...mainly in the Picard-assasin fight scenes.

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Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

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As for the FX, I seriously hope we don't get a carbon copy of the same 5 establishing ship shots and slavish reconstructions of the original ship shots. Some variety and upgrades would be most welcome.
They're not recreating the ship shots in CGI though, they're recompositing the original filmed elements with modern techniques. They'll probably have to CGI new planets, but I would guess that's it...unless they try to throw in a few bonus CGI shots for variety. That would require some skill akin to what Daren Doctorman did in The Directors Edition of The Motion Picture to match the original filmed elements.
That's actually really good news, I think, if they actually have the original film elements of the ship shots and can restore them to the same level of the live action footage. If they can just supplement those with some CGI decor (planets, FX shots, occasional extras), it seems like we'll get the best of both worlds, so to speak, with both physical models and modern production techniques...

That said, I don't see any reason why a slavish adherence to the original FX shots would be necessary. One could still use the same ship shots in different ways or with different decor depending on the needs of the scene. In any case, let's see what they come out with first to get an idea of what we're getting into...

All things considered, though, it would seem that this has the chance to be even more impressive than the TOS remastering project... After all, imagine how much less kvetching would have been made about that project if we'd had equivalent footage of the ship models and FX from that series....
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Old November 8 2011, 05:59 AM   #808
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An "interesting" twist in the TNG-R saga:

"Sins of the Father" - 13 seconds of the original film elements for this episode have not been located and thus have been upconverted from Standard Definition videotape.
Yikes, I'm ok with the 13 seconds here, but I'm concerned that this came up in one of 4 hours worth of samples. If they have issues like this in 25% of the episodes, then I'm not sure how I feel about buying the set.
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Old November 8 2011, 07:01 AM   #809
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I can't speak for the US or Canada, but the BBC, Sky 1, and Virgin 1 all showed TNG in 4:3 in the UK - at least for the episodes I caught. I've tried watching a couple of DVD episodes using my TV's zoom facility to crop the picture to 16:9, and the result - while not disastrously bad - required up and down scrolling to keep the action and people's heads framed in view. It also served to hide Jean Luc's shiny, bald pate for some of the time.
I’ve noticed that most old 4:3 TV shows look good when cropped to 16:10 (which you can do with VLC), but 16:9 often crops too much.

On a 16:9 screen, a 4:3 image leaves 25% of the screen unused, but a 16:10 image leaves just 10% of it unused. If the black pillars bother you, a 16:10 crop may be a good solution.
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Old November 8 2011, 07:41 AM   #810
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Yikes, I'm ok with the 13 seconds here, but I'm concerned that this came up in one of 4 hours worth of samples. If they have issues like this in 25% of the episodes, then I'm not sure how I feel about buying the set.
Or, looked at another way...

This is 13 seconds out of 183 minutes (10,980 seconds), so that's 0.12%. Here are the running times of each season:

Season 1: 19 hours, 43 minutes
Season 2: 16 hours, 39 minutes
Season 3: 19 hours, 40 minutes
Season 4: 19 hours, 42 minutes
Season 5: 19 hours, 43 minutes
Season 6: 19 hours, 37 minutes
Season 7: 19 hours, 34 minutes

Total: 134 hours, 38 minutes (484,680 seconds)

0.12% of 484,680 seconds is 582 seconds... or 9 minutes, 42 seconds of missing footage over 7 years.
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