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22 Stars · January 24 2012, 08:40 PM

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Dac · January 24 2012, 08:44 PM

Could it be that shot of the Saucer sep is now "owned" by Paramount and not CBS? I bet that's why we got a new shot of the Bird of Prey in Sins of the Father, and I'd be willing to bet a pint on the fact that the Starbase in 11001001 is CG'd too.

Sho · January 24 2012, 08:50 PM

Dac wrote:

Could it be that shot of the Saucer sep is now "owned" by Paramount and not CBS? I bet that's why we got a new shot of the Bird of Prey in Sins of the Father, and I'd be willing to bet a pint on the fact that the Starbase in 11001001 is CG'd too.

Makes no sense to me. They'd have kept the Ent for SoF if it was just that.

Dac · January 24 2012, 08:52 PM

True, but something tells me all the stuff made for the films is going to disappear from the series as it progresses. I'd just like to stress thats not me making a wink wink, but I really do think that.

I say this probably because those elements are missing because they were nicked from the movies. And they don't have access to the movies at CBS, at least not legitimately.

Sho · January 24 2012, 08:54 PM

Yeah, might be right on that.

JarodRussell · January 24 2012, 08:55 PM

Dac wrote:

Could it be that shot of the Saucer sep is now "owned" by Paramount and not CBS? I bet that's why we got a new shot of the Bird of Prey in Sins of the Father, and I'd be willing to bet a pint on the fact that the Starbase in 11001001 is CG'd too.

If that's the case, they hopefully use that model seen in the SOTL. It's probably Tobias Richter's anyway.

22 Stars · January 24 2012, 09:15 PM

I agree, as I pointed out early on with the initial shot of the D/BOP, that shot used elements from ST III, and it seems to be a common theme for many shots now where CGI is not being used. Not sure if it a rights issue or a physical 'the footage isn't around' issue.

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trekker670 · January 24 2012, 09:20 PM

The theory of Paramount owning the footage and not CBS seems to make sense. From a business standpoint, it would make more sense to keep footage like that with the movies since those are what they would assume they'd be more likely to go back to the film negatives to, whereas at the time they thought the TV show was done and wouldn't need the film elements any longer.

It would be interesting to hear if that's the true reason and, if not, what the real reason is.

Captrek · January 24 2012, 09:24 PM

22 Stars wrote:

Not sure if it a rights issue or a physical 'the footage isn't around' issue.

Or both, for that matter. Since we’re dealing both with TSFS footage reused for the TV series and with TV footage reused for GEN, they may be two different problems.

22 Stars · January 24 2012, 09:46 PM

Ya, another reason the CBS/Paramount Trek split bothers me. I was at Paramount of the time of the merger, and ironically at CBS at the time of the separation and it still bugs me!

And in all this time CBS has never green-lit a new Trek Animated series, to give all my TNG friends another chance to portray these great characters.

ATimson · January 24 2012, 09:55 PM

Sho wrote:

Dac wrote:

Could it be that shot of the Saucer sep is now "owned" by Paramount and not CBS? I bet that's why we got a new shot of the Bird of Prey in Sins of the Father, and I'd be willing to bet a pint on the fact that the Starbase in 11001001 is CG'd too.

Makes no sense to me. They'd have kept the Ent for SoF if it was just that.

Eh, not necessarily - I can see how if you need to recreate part of it as CGI anyways it might be easier to recreate the whole shot rather than just the BOP plate.

Dac · January 24 2012, 10:08 PM

^^^And as unlikely as it seems, that shot was one of the stock shots we haven't seen the original as of yet in TNG-HD. It could also be that stock shot is missing.

davejames · January 24 2012, 10:13 PM

Well wasn't a lot of the detail on the 6-footer simply drawn in (or am I thinking of a different model)? I thought that was another reason for the more detailed 4-footer, because the original model just didn't film well up close.

As awesome as those HD shots of the 6-footer are, it IS a lot more apparent than before that we're looking at a model. And I imagine that was only more apparent in the close up shots.

Sho · January 24 2012, 10:26 PM

ATimson wrote:

Eh, not necessarily - I can see how if you need to recreate part of it as CGI anyways it might be easier to recreate the whole shot rather than just the BOP plate.

Took that into account and disagree. The Ent is a separately composable element as usual, the original shot proves that. If it was available they do just the BoP in CG. The mix would be no problem visually either since it's an alien ship.

davejames · January 24 2012, 10:36 PM

22 Stars wrote:

And in all this time CBS has never green-lit a new Trek Animated series, to give all my TNG friends another chance to portray these great characters.

That is definitely one of the biggest missed opportunties when it comes to TNG. The studio could probably get most of the same audience, tell the same kinds of stories, and have many of the same actors-- all for a LOT cheaper than producing a live action TV series.

It's such a no-brainer I can't believe they haven't done it.

January 24 2012, 08:40 PM	#2251
22 Stars Commodore	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! Just too lazy to scan the top TNG directory for other TNG-R related discussions

January 24 2012, 08:44 PM	#2252
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! Could it be that shot of the Saucer sep is now "owned" by Paramount and not CBS? I bet that's why we got a new shot of the Bird of Prey in Sins of the Father, and I'd be willing to bet a pint on the fact that the Starbase in 11001001 is CG'd too.

January 24 2012, 08:52 PM	#2254
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! True, but something tells me all the stuff made for the films is going to disappear from the series as it progresses. I'd just like to stress thats not me making a wink wink, but I really do think that. I say this probably because those elements are missing because they were nicked from the movies. And they don't have access to the movies at CBS, at least not legitimately.

January 24 2012, 08:54 PM	#2255
Sho Fleet Captain Location: Berlin, Germany	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! Yeah, might be right on that. __________________ TrekLit review threads, sorted by average score (discussion thread).

January 24 2012, 09:15 PM	#2257
22 Stars Commodore	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! I agree, as I pointed out early on with the initial shot of the D/BOP, that shot used elements from ST III, and it seems to be a common theme for many shots now where CGI is not being used. Not sure if it a rights issue or a physical 'the footage isn't around' issue. Mike Okuda would know!

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January 24 2012, 09:20 PM	#2258
trekker670 Commander	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! The theory of Paramount owning the footage and not CBS seems to make sense. From a business standpoint, it would make more sense to keep footage like that with the movies since those are what they would assume they'd be more likely to go back to the film negatives to, whereas at the time they thought the TV show was done and wouldn't need the film elements any longer. It would be interesting to hear if that's the true reason and, if not, what the real reason is.

January 24 2012, 09:46 PM	#2260
22 Stars Commodore	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! Ya, another reason the CBS/Paramount Trek split bothers me. I was at Paramount of the time of the merger, and ironically at CBS at the time of the separation and it still bugs me! And in all this time CBS has never green-lit a new Trek Animated series, to give all my TNG friends another chance to portray these great characters.

January 24 2012, 10:08 PM	#2262
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! ^^^And as unlikely as it seems, that shot was one of the stock shots we haven't seen the original as of yet in TNG-HD. It could also be that stock shot is missing.

January 24 2012, 10:13 PM	#2263
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! Well wasn't a lot of the detail on the 6-footer simply drawn in (or am I thinking of a different model)? I thought that was another reason for the more detailed 4-footer, because the original model just didn't film well up close. As awesome as those HD shots of the 6-footer are, it IS a lot more apparent than before that we're looking at a model. And I imagine that was only more apparent in the close up shots.