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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old January 7 2012, 09:11 PM   #1516
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You know what? If this project was in any way funded by JJtrek, I have no issues with that film anymore.

This is beyond anything I could have imagined. If the set runs into three or four figures, I'm taking out a loan.
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Old January 7 2012, 09:15 PM   #1517
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Four figures? I'd hope the entire 7 season run doesn't even reach that
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Old January 7 2012, 09:17 PM   #1518
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Four figures? I'd hope the entire 7 season run doesn't even reach that
I meant to say the entire 7 year run being four figures. Whoops.
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Old January 7 2012, 10:18 PM   #1519
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I would just like to say...I take back most of what I said. I just watched The Last Outpost, and I must say....that should look pretty great in HD. I can't fault that episode for any visual reason.
Don't forget something like 11010011 with the Bynars. It would've been such a shame to lose movie quality FX for new and inferior CGI! They would have needed to spend a LOT of money on CGI to come close to replicating the spacedock and even then they would still look worse. Could you imagine a CGI update for Search for Spock? Because thats what they would be asked to do on a shoestring budget. A lot of the ship models where built for the movies anyway and they will look excellent in HD.
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I would just like to say...I take back most of what I said. I just watched The Last Outpost, and I must say....that should look pretty great in HD. I can't fault that episode for any visual reason.
Don't forget something like 11010011 with the Bynars. It would've been such a shame to lose movie quality FX for new and inferior CGI! They would have needed to spend a LOT of money on CGI to come close to replicating the spacedock and even then they would still look worse. Could you imagine a CGI update for Search for Spock? Because thats what they would be asked to do on a shoestring budget. A lot of the ship models where built for the movies anyway and they will look excellent in HD.
Well, I never advocated CG. I simply said the problems with the early season were more ingrained and simply a clearer picture couldnt help them. I was wrong in that regard
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Four figures? I'd hope the entire 7 season run doesn't even reach that
I meant to say the entire 7 year run being four figures. Whoops.
Goodo. To be honest, I don't see the season sets costing THAT much...

The only upcoming series set of comparable size I could see on play.com was The Twilight Zone series 5 on Blu Ray, and that was £39.99. Most modern season sets are only about £20 on Blu Ray. Sure, TNG-HD has got more work done to it which I suppose may inflate the price some, but if they charge any more than £50/$75 they'll be overcharging it IMO. Plus, no one charges full retail anyway. It'll probably be £40/$60 a set if that.
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Old January 8 2012, 12:39 AM   #1522
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I'm watching TNG on BBC America right now and I really can't believe how fuzzy the show is, I am SO looking forward to this TNG-R!!!!
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Old January 8 2012, 01:37 AM   #1523
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Four figures? I'd hope the entire 7 season run doesn't even reach that
I meant to say the entire 7 year run being four figures. Whoops.
Goodo. To be honest, I don't see the season sets costing THAT much...

The only upcoming series set of comparable size I could see on play.com was The Twilight Zone series 5 on Blu Ray, and that was £39.99. Most modern season sets are only about £20 on Blu Ray. Sure, TNG-HD has got more work done to it which I suppose may inflate the price some, but if they charge any more than £50/$75 they'll be overcharging it IMO. Plus, no one charges full retail anyway. It'll probably be £40/$60 a set if that.
MSRP for the TOS BDs is $129.99/season. I expect they'll use that as a guideline and set a MSRP of $129.99 or at most $139.99. They won't want to go too far over what their own MSRPs are conditioning us to expect.

Another way to try to project the MSRP is to extrapolate from the MSRP of the sampler. A rate of $22.99 for four "hours" projects to $1023.05 for 178 hours, or $146.15 per season.

Of course, MSRP and actual price may be quite different.
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Old January 8 2012, 03:31 AM   #1524
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I really want to own all the seasons of TNG on HD, but I can't really justify paying more than $50 / season....$70 tops, not with a wife and kid to feed. I hope they don't over charge for these....$100+ is far too much.
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Old January 8 2012, 04:04 AM   #1525
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I really want to own all the seasons of TNG on HD, but I can't really justify paying more than $50 / season....$70 tops, not with a wife and kid to feed. I hope they don't over charge for these....$100+ is far too much.
You're confusing MSRP with actual retail price. TOS may have had a $130/season MSRP, but you could find it for $60-70 the week it came out.
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Old January 8 2012, 07:27 AM   #1526
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That looks pretty darn impressive.
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Old January 8 2012, 08:48 AM   #1527
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I really want to own all the seasons of TNG on HD, but I can't really justify paying more than $50 / season....$70 tops, not with a wife and kid to feed. I hope they don't over charge for these....$100+ is far too much.
You're confusing MSRP with actual retail price. TOS may have had a $130/season MSRP, but you could find it for $60-70 the week it came out.
... and the release cycle might only be one season per year - two at most. That's relatively easy to budget for even at MSRP if you save $10-20 per month in advance.
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Now, those Farpoint aliens? Always looked a little goofy, but the fuzzy glow around the SD versions gave them some substance which I feel the HD version has taken away, making the tendrils far more spindly and rope like than they initially did. This is one issue. Overall I'm jumping for joy at TNG-HD and everything else I've seen looks fantastic. The Enterprise herself is a thing of beauty. The fact is though, the Farpoint aliens are first spaceship/alien of the week that were never seen again. Of course they didn't have the same level of polish applied to them.
I think this is one of those cases where the recompositing of the elements is entirely at fault. They could easily have applied filters that would have minimized the problem with showing the "thready" quality of the tentacles.
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Old January 8 2012, 10:52 AM   #1529
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Looking at that video again, I'm sure I can still see noticeable dirt/scratches on the film during the Farpoint atmospheric ascent sequence, around the 44-45 second mark. I assume this means that they haven't gone to the effort of removing dirt, scratches and hairs from the original film as they did in TOS-R - a bit of a disappointment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNhpKEpiKRs#t=0m44s - but you have to watch closely on the right side due to the size of the video provided)

Apart from that, the improved colour timing is perfect - gone are the muted washed out colours, thank god! Can't really tell much else from the video due to its reduced size.
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I meant to say the entire 7 year run being four figures. Whoops.
Goodo. To be honest, I don't see the season sets costing THAT much...

The only upcoming series set of comparable size I could see on play.com was The Twilight Zone series 5 on Blu Ray, and that was £39.99. Most modern season sets are only about £20 on Blu Ray. Sure, TNG-HD has got more work done to it which I suppose may inflate the price some, but if they charge any more than £50/$75 they'll be overcharging it IMO. Plus, no one charges full retail anyway. It'll probably be £40/$60 a set if that.
MSRP for the TOS BDs is $129.99/season. I expect they'll use that as a guideline and set a MSRP of $129.99 or at most $139.99. They won't want to go too far over what their own MSRPs are conditioning us to expect.

Another way to try to project the MSRP is to extrapolate from the MSRP of the sampler. A rate of $22.99 for four "hours" projects to $1023.05 for 178 hours, or $146.15 per season.

Of course, MSRP and actual price may be quite different.
And they came out several years ago when it was still a new, largely unadopted format. I'm not sure about the US, but Blu Ray sets have dropped dramatically in price here in the UK. Hell, I picked up all 4 seasons of BSG for under £100 2 years ago. Now, it can be had for £65. The individual season sets were about £35/£40 at the time. I really can't see how charging more than $100 is going to happen. Unless Blu Ray prices remain unchanged in the states.
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