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Old August 17 2014, 06:21 AM   #4846
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I'm going to apologize upfront about the next few things I'm going to say, because with a few simple and cheap changes, that ship you have can easily do 2-3 times the amount of damage:

1) Too many torpedoes. I understand you're trying to build a transphasic torpedo boat, but that's not the way to do it. Not when you're only firing only one torpedo (or a spread) every few seconds. If you like to improve your ship as a torpedo build, have a look at my old transphasic torpedo build. Its a little dated (there are a couple of improvements that can be made).

2) If you want to stick with a torpedo boat, I hope you have two very rare Projectile Weapon Officers. A torpedo boat without them does very little damage. You can get them for free by spending 2-3 weeks repeating the Support B'Tran Colonization chain of duty officer assignments.

3) Move the Kinetic Cutting Beam to an aft weapon slot. It has a 360 degree firing arc, meaning it can shoot at anything in range even from an aft slot. Save that forward slot for a more potent weapon.

4) Make better use of the 3 tactical console slots by slotting tactical consoles
that boost weapon damage. For example, Transphasic Compressors.

5) Consider using more beam arrays or dual beam arrays to better punch through ship shields. This will cause your transphasics to cause more damage. PS: By itself, Tachyon Beam is really bad at stripping shields.
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Old August 17 2014, 07:54 AM   #4847
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I'm going to apologize upfront about the next few things I'm going to say, because with a few simple and cheap changes, that ship you have can easily do 2-3 times the amount of damage:

1) Too many torpedoes. I understand you're trying to build a transphasic torpedo boat, but that's not the way to do it. Not when you're only firing only one torpedo (or a spread) every few seconds. If you like to improve your ship as a torpedo build, have a look at my old transphasic torpedo build. Its a little dated (there are a couple of improvements that can be made).

2) If you want to stick with a torpedo boat, I hope you have two very rare Projectile Weapon Officers. A torpedo boat without them does very little damage. You can get them for free by spending 2-3 weeks repeating the Support B'Tran Colonization chain of duty officer assignments.

3) Move the Kinetic Cutting Beam to an aft weapon slot. It has a 360 degree firing arc, meaning it can shoot at anything in range even from an aft slot. Save that forward slot for a more potent weapon.

4) Make better use of the 3 tactical console slots by slotting tactical consoles
that boost weapon damage. For example, Transphasic Compressors.

5) Consider using more beam arrays or dual beam arrays to better punch through ship shields. This will cause your transphasics to cause more damage. PS: By itself, Tachyon Beam is really bad at stripping shields.
No need to apologize. I posted my ship's setup so I can get feedback....

Thanks.

I'll post an update on my vessel soon, with changes per your suggestions. I have a few Romulan plasma dual beams - through New Romulus reputation - that I could use, or I'll spend the dilithium for additional antiproton dual beams or single beam arrays, especially since I already have one single antiproton beam on the ship.

I guess my only question is: How many torpedoes do you suggest I use as I add dual beam arrays to this setup? (I want a beam/torpedo boat with good DPS).
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Old August 17 2014, 12:42 PM   #4848
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
I'll post an update on my vessel soon, with changes per your suggestions. I have a few Romulan plasma dual beams - through New Romulus reputation - that I could use, or I'll spend the dilithium for additional antiproton dual beams or single beam arrays, especially since I already have one single antiproton beam on the ship.
While I've dabbled in torpedo boats in the past, I've given up them as they are really hard to build well. The Hydra Chel Grett I linked could do 5k dps in an STF with a huge caveat: It needs a warm up period of 20-30 seconds before it could achieve said dps. That was fine pre-Legacy of Romulus. These days, a group of above average ship can dish out 7k dps immediately (and my circle of players typically do 10-20k dps instantly), by which time all the targets have already been destroyed. Thus since LoR, I've given up on torpedo boats.

If you're just using one torpedo, its simple. Pick either a photon or a quantum torpedo since they have the fastest rate of fire and are the most damaging torpedos in a general setting. My opinion is that this is the option you should stick to as a science vessel already have the least number of weapon slots and torpedos have been consistently shown to decrease a ship's overall damage output.

If you want to use more than one torpedo, then you need to know everything there is to know about torpedo cooldown timers, especially the "GCD" or Global Cooldown timer. A lot have been written on this topic by other players so I'm not going to try and type it all out by memory and get something wrong. Instead, I'll refer you to this post. That should teach all you need to know about how, why and when you should slot more than one torpedo.
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Old August 17 2014, 02:44 PM   #4849
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Or switch to all beams and just give up on torpedoes. They're just not that good/useful.
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Old August 17 2014, 09:29 PM   #4850
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I put together a torpedo boat on one of my alt just for the fun of it. I used the fleet Defiant, because I have always imagined a torpepo boat as small and maneuverable, like the PT boats in WWII.

First thing I did was add two traits to my main, Hot Pursuit which enhances mine attacking their target Then added Intimidating Strikes which is an aid to torpedos.

I gave the ship 3 purple Projectile Weasons Officer DOffs with the reduce torpedo recharge, and two purple Technicians to reduce BOff ability recharge.

Fore
Phaser Quad Cannons
Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
2 x Rapid Reload Transphasic Torp
Aft
Hargh'pend torpedo
Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
Rapid Reload Transphasic Torp

I used the Breen deflector and engines for the set power buff and a fleet Shield and Warp core.

Consoles include Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat Console (lobi),
Spacial Charge Launcher, Assimilated Module (borg), zerp point energy conduit and 5x Transphasic Compressor.

It isn't the biggest damage dealer in a group but it holds its own in the STFs I have tried with it.
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Old August 17 2014, 11:51 PM   #4851
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I'll post an update on my vessel soon, with changes per your suggestions. I have a few Romulan plasma dual beams - through New Romulus reputation - that I could use, or I'll spend the dilithium for additional antiproton dual beams or single beam arrays, especially since I already have one single antiproton beam on the ship.
While I've dabbled in torpedo boats in the past, I've given up them as they are really hard to build well. The Hydra Chel Grett I linked could do 5k dps in an STF with a huge caveat: It needs a warm up period of 20-30 seconds before it could achieve said dps. That was fine pre-Legacy of Romulus. These days, a group of above average ship can dish out 7k dps immediately (and my circle of players typically do 10-20k dps instantly), by which time all the targets have already been destroyed. Thus since LoR, I've given up on torpedo boats.

If you're just using one torpedo, its simple. Pick either a photon or a quantum torpedo since they have the fastest rate of fire and are the most damaging torpedos in a general setting. My opinion is that this is the option you should stick to as a science vessel already have the least number of weapon slots and torpedos have been consistently shown to decrease a ship's overall damage output.

If you want to use more than one torpedo, then you need to know everything there is to know about torpedo cooldown timers, especially the "GCD" or Global Cooldown timer. A lot have been written on this topic by other players so I'm not going to try and type it all out by memory and get something wrong. Instead, I'll refer you to this post. That should teach all you need to know about how, why and when you should slot more than one torpedo.
Thanks for the link. However, I think I'll try your suggestion for adding a photon or quantum torp.

I'll probably had one in the fore with another beam array. I guess now is just trying to get hold of a blue or purple photon or quantum torp - I don't think I've seen one since I've started playing...!

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Or switch to all beams and just give up on torpedoes. They're just not that good/useful.
Yeah, I've heard they're not that useful, especially if shields are still present on the enemy.

I might give an all beam boat a shot in the future. However, I'll try my next ship update with a single torp, see how that works.

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I put together a torpedo boat on one of my alt just for the fun of it. I used the fleet Defiant, because I have always imagined a torpepo boat as small and maneuverable, like the PT boats in WWII.

First thing I did was add two traits to my main, Hot Pursuit which enhances mine attacking their target Then added Intimidating Strikes which is an aid to torpedos.

I gave the ship 3 purple Projectile Weasons Officer DOffs with the reduce torpedo recharge, and two purple Technicians to reduce BOff ability recharge.

Fore
Phaser Quad Cannons
Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
2 x Rapid Reload Transphasic Torp
Aft
Hargh'pend torpedo
Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
Rapid Reload Transphasic Torp

I used the Breen deflector and engines for the set power buff and a fleet Shield and Warp core.

Consoles include Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat Console (lobi),
Spacial Charge Launcher, Assimilated Module (borg), zerp point energy conduit and 5x Transphasic Compressor.

It isn't the biggest damage dealer in a group but it holds its own in the STFs I have tried with it.
Interesting...
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Old August 18 2014, 06:14 AM   #4852
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It isn't the biggest damage dealer in a group but it holds its own in the STFs I have tried with it.
That's the thing about torpedo boats. You have to stack every single bonus Cryptic has added, use every trick in the book just to get damage on par with an average beam or cannon boat.

Meanwhile, that average beam boat just needs to put in some effort into adding one or two high end items and it will outperform any torpedo boat.
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Old August 18 2014, 11:44 AM   #4853
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Yeah, kinda don't get the point, really. If you try really, really hard, it might almost be as good as a half-assed beam boat. Why not just put effort into the beam boat and really have something worth using?
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Old August 18 2014, 12:02 PM   #4854
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Yeah, kinda don't get the point, really. If you try really, really hard, it might almost be as good as a half-assed beam boat. Why not just put effort into the beam boat and really have something worth using?
My torpedo boat was just a 'something to do' with one of my alts, trying to see how well I could make it.

My main flies a Vesta Cannon boat and it does very well in a fight. I believe with a little tweaking once we get to level 60 it will still be a competitive ship.
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Old August 18 2014, 01:58 PM   #4855
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Was directed more toward Joel, who seems to be trying it as a primary plan vice a fun experiment. Just stating that even if you succeed, it's not worth the time/effort. Spending the same effort and points/ec/zen can get you a fairly kick ass beam or cannon build, so torpedoes just seem like a waste.

I've tried to get rid of them completely, and only one I'm keeping is an Omega one to get the 3-piece set bonus with the cutting beam and borg console. Debated even losing that one, but it's there through intertia so far...
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Old August 21 2014, 01:45 AM   #4856
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Scout101,

I've just been playing random areas for dilithium and reputation....so I'm feeling if I do make a ship purchase it has to be worth it. Especially since I'm now playing PvP, I want a ship that could *ahem* kick ass in both PvP as well as PvE.

I just played a very fun ground PvP (probably because I was on a winning team and was taking down opponents myself) but I feel my Fed sci captain still needs a strong shield. Right now she has a Nukara Tier I (?) shield. I also want my captain to be formidable on ground missions.

I'm also trying out different ground weapons to see what I like best. Even though the sniper weapons are nice to snipe with (I've used one - the antiproton rifle - to snipe Tholians on Nukara, and another - phaser rifle - to snipe opponents in a ground arena) it doesn't seem to shoot as quickly as I want.

Getting back to my recon sci vessel:
Right now, I changed to Fore: 2 Dual Beams (Romulan Plasma) and 1 Photon Torp, and Aft: Cutting Beam, Romulan Plasma Array, and Romulan/Disruptor Array.

If I'm reading my damage correctly in PvE missions (the numbers in yellow)...I'm hitting double digits. Too, I understand that many ships have hull plating to protect from plasma...so I'm assuming I'm not doing much damage.

I may just put back my antiproton arrays back. (Still considering adding that one photon torp!)

I was even looking looking at non-sci vessels, but I want to utilize my sci powers to their fullest.
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Old August 21 2014, 09:08 AM   #4857
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If you're just playing ship PvE, plasma's totally fine. Even in PvP its still kinda fine as plasma resistances only truly play a role when both sides are equally well matched (gear-wise). And anyway, player skill trumps gear in PvP.

Anyway, back to your ship loadout. I think I've mentioned before that the best way to improve damage output is to ensure all 6 of your sci vessel's weapons are constantly firing. Right now, either the two aft beam arrays or the 3 forward weapons won't be firing depending on your ship's facing. That basically drops your ship damage capability by nearly half.

So instead of having beam arrays in the rear, why not replace them with turrets. They have a 360 degree firing arc, which means all 6 weapons will be firing when you are directly facing your opponent, ensuring maximum damage.

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I just played a very fun ground PvP (probably because I was on a winning team and was taking down opponents myself) but I feel my Fed sci captain still needs a strong shield. Right now she has a Nukara Tier I (?) shield. I also want my captain to be formidable on ground missions. I'm also trying out different ground weapons to see what I like best.
I have never played ground PvP (too few players) so I may be talking nonsense here. As far as I am aware, its your selection of kit powers and not your weapon or shield that is the deciding influence in winning ground PvP.
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^^

I'll post my 'refit' soon based on your suggestions, intrinsical.
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Old August 24 2014, 09:04 PM   #4859
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Wellp, I suppose I should start asking for advice on my ship specifically. I'm a Sci capt (wanted to give Sci a try) with a Fleet Star Cruiser and love it dearly, so it's my main. I realize there are some limitations that come with it, but I'd like to improve its DPS. I'm fairly satisfied with its survivability, so I'm less concerned about that. Could anyone provide some feedback or tips (equipment, skills, even gameplay) to help maximize the ship's DPS? Since I'm science in a cruiser, I don't expect godly numbers, but an increase would be good.

Here's my ship: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?...arcruiser_7886

If it helps, my weapon level tends to be at 110, and the other systems at around 65 or so. When Plasmonic Leech kicks in, weapons go up to 125 and the other systems increase into the 80s.
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Old August 24 2014, 09:25 PM   #4860
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Not that much you can do, really.

I would get rid of the torp spread, swap it for FAW2 and pick up Tactical Team 1.

Drop Aceton Beam and get Warp Plasma 3 to drop it on your enemies.

To keep them in the cloud use a tractor beam.

Put as many skill points into exotic particle generator and gravimetric control (or whatever the skill that enhances movement disabling is called).

Your ship will never be a DPSer, it really is best suited as a healer, but if you insist on trying to go on the offensive, you have to take a more trickier approach.
And then try to use consoles that enhance those skills further.

Modus Operandi should be: disable and cook!
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