Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... - Page 5

JacksonArcher · October 30 2011, 05:08 PM

I wouldn't expect someone like Ang Lee or Lars Von Trier for the Die Hard series, but someone other than John Moore would have been nice. At least John McTiernan is a talented filmmaker with a solid repertoire of entertaining, quality action flicks (The aforementioned Die Hard, The Hunt for Red October, Die Hard With a Vengeance and The Thomas Crown Affair to name a few).

Sean Aaron · October 30 2011, 05:19 PM

Fair enough. You didn't like Wolverine though? I thought it was better than the rest of the X-Men films combined.

Base_Delta_Zero · October 30 2011, 06:22 PM

I also liked XMW:O. The game was really fun, too. Let you literally cut the bad-guys (humans!) into meaty chunks the way a guy with knives coming out of his hands should. XM and XM:U were solid, the latter more so than the first. XM:LS was ass all the way through. XM:FC was great, though.

As for Die Hard, I think the McTiernan editions are my favorite (1 & 3), followed by 4 & 2. Nothing beats one, but the others are all cool in their own way. Too bad he couldn't do another one. He knows the world and characters the best, besides Willis.

Hmmm...why doesn't Bruce try to direct one? Maybe the last one, after 5. Or get Stallone to do it. He's a pretty good director, especially of action/drama (Rocky Balboa & half of the rest of the series, Rambo, The Expendables). They're friends. I think it would be friggin' awesome!

JacksonArcher · October 30 2011, 10:48 PM

I thought X-Men Origins: Wolverine was godawful.

Captaindemotion · October 30 2011, 11:33 PM

JacksonArcher wrote:

I wouldn't expect someone like Ang Lee or Lars Von Trier for the Die Hard series, but someone other than John Moore would have been nice. At least John McTiernan is a talented filmmaker with a solid repertoire of entertaining, quality action flicks (The aforementioned Die Hard, The Hunt for Red October, Die Hard With a Vengeance and The Thomas Crown Affair to name a few).

I'd say on a good day, McTiernan was as good an action director as there was out there; the original DH, Vengeance and Predator are proof of that. Plus those movies also showed he's good with an ensemble.

As I said before, you only have to contrast at how he handled the supporting casts or the setpieces in DH or WAV with how Wiseman handled that of 4.0. 4.0 had a decent enough plot and ideas but Wiseman didn't put them together the way McTiernan could have.

Even Harlin's 'slow-mo and, when in doubt, blow things up' mantra gave Die Harder a more distinctive feel than 4.0 had. I think that's why the Die Hard series deserves a grade A action director, as oppose to an anonymous hack like Moore.

Thorsg1 · October 31 2011, 12:42 AM

This is pretty much what I remember lol

Broccoli · October 31 2011, 05:26 AM

I hope the next Die Hard movie has a pointless Kevin Smith cameo.

Starkers · October 31 2011, 10:45 AM

JacksonArcher wrote:

I thought X-Men Origins: Wolverine was godawful.

I liked the start, but it quickly went off the rails a bit and suffers the curse of prequels, finish with a fight between two guys where you know neither of them is going to die (see also Revenge of the Sith). Of course you could say the same about First Class yet somehow this seemed to avoid the issue, or was just so well made it didn't affect the quality of the film.

Ideally Die Hard needs a good solid action director, as has been said they don't need anyone oscar worthy, but they are in the upper strata of ation fims and the writer/director should be commensarate with that.

Still you never know. McG is a terrible director yet I loved Charlies Angels, and I always liked Bryan Singer until he turned in the turgid Superman flick so anything is possible.

Captaindemotion · October 31 2011, 08:12 PM

^ I thought McG did a good job with Terminator Salvation. Yes, I'm serious.

Captain Craig · October 31 2011, 08:14 PM

^^^
Ditto.
Another movie bashed by people who just like to bash sequels even when their complaints can be addressed.

Captaindemotion · October 31 2011, 08:51 PM

^ Well, I hope you know that I don't fall into that bracket.

I'd be quite happy for McG to make DHV. He's at least got his own style and the action scenes in T:S were excellent.

captcalhoun · October 31 2011, 09:40 PM

i liked TS and i liked both Charlie's Angels movies for what they were: fluff with three hot chicks kicking ass.

Starkers · October 31 2011, 10:49 PM

Salvation, up until Sucker Punch was the most borring film full of explosions I'd ever seen. I had to pop to the loo halfway through and seriously considered just leaving!

Enterprise is Great · November 1 2011, 12:20 AM

Captaindemotion wrote:

^ I thought McG did a good job with Terminator Salvation. Yes, I'm serious.

The editing really let him down though. The character building scenes were pretty much completely excised from the movie. Probably the studio's doing...

Aldo · November 1 2011, 01:47 AM

I just watched Red today at a friends house and it got me thinking:

When was the last time Bruce Willis really, honestly tried to act? And when was the last time he was paired with a director who was able to get a good performance out of him?

Seems to me he's been on autopilot lately, and just prefers to be paired with Directors who won't push him at all. Kevin Smith's story about working with Willis on Cop Out proves this. Smith tried and butted heads with him constantly on set.

October 30 2011, 05:08 PM	#61
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... I wouldn't expect someone like Ang Lee or Lars Von Trier for the Die Hard series, but someone other than John Moore would have been nice. At least John McTiernan is a talented filmmaker with a solid repertoire of entertaining, quality action flicks (The aforementioned Die Hard, The Hunt for Red October, Die Hard With a Vengeance and The Thomas Crown Affair to name a few). __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

October 30 2011, 05:19 PM	#62
Sean Aaron Rear Admiral Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... Fair enough. You didn't like Wolverine though? I thought it was better than the rest of the X-Men films combined.

October 30 2011, 06:22 PM	#63
Base_Delta_Zero Commodore Location: Maine	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... I also liked XMW:O. The game was really fun, too. Let you literally cut the bad-guys (humans!) into meaty chunks the way a guy with knives coming out of his hands should. XM and XM:U were solid, the latter more so than the first. XM:LS was ass all the way through. XM:FC was great, though. As for Die Hard, I think the McTiernan editions are my favorite (1 & 3), followed by 4 & 2. Nothing beats one, but the others are all cool in their own way. Too bad he couldn't do another one. He knows the world and characters the best, besides Willis. Hmmm...why doesn't Bruce try to direct one? Maybe the last one, after 5. Or get Stallone to do it. He's a pretty good director, especially of action/drama (Rocky Balboa & half of the rest of the series, Rambo, The Expendables). They're friends. I think it would be friggin' awesome!

October 30 2011, 10:48 PM	#64
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... I thought X-Men Origins: Wolverine was godawful. __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

October 31 2011, 12:42 AM	#66
Thorsg1 Captain	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... This is pretty much what I remember lol

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October 31 2011, 05:26 AM	#67
Broccoli Vice Admiral Location: Broccoli	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... I hope the next Die Hard movie has a pointless Kevin Smith cameo. __________________ "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

October 31 2011, 08:12 PM	#69
Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... ^ I thought McG did a good job with Terminator Salvation. Yes, I'm serious. __________________ Hodor!!!!!!!

October 31 2011, 08:14 PM	#70
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... ^^^ Ditto. Another movie bashed by people who just like to bash sequels even when their complaints can be addressed. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

October 31 2011, 08:51 PM	#71
Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... ^ Well, I hope you know that I don't fall into that bracket. I'd be quite happy for McG to make DHV. He's at least got his own style and the action scenes in T:S were excellent. __________________ Hodor!!!!!!!

October 31 2011, 09:40 PM	#72
captcalhoun Admiral Location: gone	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... i liked TS and i liked both Charlie's Angels movies for what they were: fluff with three hot chicks kicking ass.

October 31 2011, 10:49 PM	#73
Starkers Admiral Location: Behind enemy lines...	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... Salvation, up until Sucker Punch was the most borring film full of explosions I'd ever seen. I had to pop to the loo halfway through and seriously considered just leaving! __________________ Werewolves on the Moon Now with Star Trek Into Darkness review The Devils of Amber Street

November 1 2011, 01:47 AM	#75
Aldo Admiral Location: Washington	Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good... I just watched Red today at a friends house and it got me thinking: When was the last time Bruce Willis really, honestly tried to act? And when was the last time he was paired with a director who was able to get a good performance out of him? Seems to me he's been on autopilot lately, and just prefers to be paired with Directors who won't push him at all. Kevin Smith's story about working with Willis on Cop Out proves this. Smith tried and butted heads with him constantly on set. __________________ I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand.