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Old October 2 2011, 12:04 AM   #1156
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Dan DiDio has tweeted that no Crisis events have occurred in the 52 Verse! LOL...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...dc-continuity/
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Old October 2 2011, 12:44 AM   #1157
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Dan DiDio has tweeted that no Crisis events have occurred in the 52 Verse! LOL...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...dc-continuity/
Rob Liefeld blew it, then; he mentioned a Crisis event in "Hawk and Dove" #1. Of course, it's not unusual for Liefeld to be a screw up.

But to be "serious", this leads to more potential clues of the existence of Wally West. If Barry Allen never died in a Crisis, then Wally West probably never became the Flash.

Also, the lack of the original Crisis would mean that the unlimited multiverse still exists; but they do have that one sticky bit about the Anti-Monitor mattering in modern Green Lantern stories. Then there's Final Crisis which is pretty important to Batman Incorporated and Dick's time as Batman (both already mentioned in DCnU).

I just don't think Didio thinks much of this stuff through; he just throws crap in the air and tells Geoff Johns to clean it up.
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Old October 2 2011, 12:47 AM   #1158
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Also, the lack of the original Crisis would mean that the unlimited multiverse still exists;
No, because the relaunch holds open the possibility that no such multiverse ever did exist.
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Old October 2 2011, 12:51 AM   #1159
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Also, the lack of the original Crisis would mean that the unlimited multiverse still exists;
No, because the relaunch holds open the possibility that no such multiverse ever did exist.
Except that, if Flashpoint is considered, it did.
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Old October 2 2011, 12:56 AM   #1160
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Except that, if Flashpoint is considered, it did.
Flashpoint's done. If they don't refer to the multiverse again, it's not functionally a part of the nuDC universe. Nothing can be inferred from past continuity at this point, because now it's all changed as much as they decide they want to change it.

Don't worry, I'm sure that in the long run they'll drag just about everything from the last seventy years into the new comics in one form or another - it's the way these things work. After the reins are loosened a little, every writer who comes along has some favorite bit from an old comic that they want to resurrect in some way.

That doesn't mean, though, that the retelling will resemble the original. They managed to get the Earth Three supervillains back in after the Crisis, after all, though now they were on Earth Two.
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Old October 2 2011, 12:58 AM   #1161
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Flashpoint isn't considered a traditional crisis though since it wasn't called Flashpoint Crisis. This only furthers my theory that most of this has been made up on the fly...
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Old October 2 2011, 01:00 AM   #1162
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Flashpoint isn't considered a traditional crisis though since it wasn't called Flashpoint Crisis. This only furthers my theory that most of this has been made up on the fly...
They're clearly working out the details on the fly, just as they did after Crisis On Infinite Earths. The overall approach to this relaunch, however, seems to have been thought out pretty carefully and apparently for some time.
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Old October 2 2011, 02:04 AM   #1163
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I will agree that it would appear that they have planned out the core themes and plots for the New 52, probably that "October" meeting (I still refuse to believe it was Oct 2009 that DiDio meant) but everything else since then seems to me on the fly...and they're not telling their creative teams in advance of their decisions on some things which seems a bit...weird.
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Old October 2 2011, 02:46 AM   #1164
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DC seems more top down regarding creative decisions. Most of it seems to come from Didio rather than any of the actual writers.
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Old October 2 2011, 02:48 AM   #1165
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Dan DiDio has tweeted that no Crisis events have occurred in the 52 Verse! LOL...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...dc-continuity/
Rob Liefeld blew it, then; he mentioned a Crisis event in "Hawk and Dove" #1. Of course, it's not unusual for Liefeld to be a screw up.

But to be "serious", this leads to more potential clues of the existence of Wally West. If Barry Allen never died in a Crisis, then Wally West probably never became the Flash.

Also, the lack of the original Crisis would mean that the unlimited multiverse still exists; but they do have that one sticky bit about the Anti-Monitor mattering in modern Green Lantern stories. Then there's Final Crisis which is pretty important to Batman Incorporated and Dick's time as Batman (both already mentioned in DCnU).

I just don't think Didio thinks much of this stuff through; he just throws crap in the air and tells Geoff Johns to clean it up.
You know, I want to like Barry Allen. I'm ready to like Barry Allen, but this reboot is singlehandedly throwing out everything that made Barry Allen the least bit interesting.
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Old October 2 2011, 02:49 AM   #1166
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I will agree that it would appear that they have planned out the core themes and plots for the New 52, probably that "October" meeting (I still refuse to believe it was Oct 2009 that DiDio meant) but everything else since then seems to me on the fly...and they're not telling their creative teams in advance of their decisions on some things which seems a bit...weird.
Probably a communications breakdown somewhere. Editors not doing their job.
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Old October 2 2011, 03:00 AM   #1167
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^ My thoughts exactly.
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Old October 2 2011, 03:06 AM   #1168
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I will agree that it would appear that they have planned out the core themes and plots for the New 52, probably that "October" meeting (I still refuse to believe it was Oct 2009 that DiDio meant)
Except, of course, that there's contemporary evidence from November 2009 suggesting that it was and other folks involved have said that it was in the works for two years. That it was decided less than a year ago is based entirely on an offhanded remark Didio made recently at a convention.

And here we are in a topic currently discussing Didio's unthought offhanded remarks.

There's a lot more to this than deciding what to do with the books - although that's got to have been a massive task. The whole business plan - digital distribution, advertising, deals with direct distributors, etc - has changed.

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I will agree that it would appear that they have planned out the core themes and plots for the New 52, probably that "October" meeting (I still refuse to believe it was Oct 2009 that DiDio meant) but everything else since then seems to me on the fly...and they're not telling their creative teams in advance of their decisions on some things which seems a bit...weird.
Probably a communications breakdown somewhere. Editors not doing their job.
Even if they're all doing their jobs this kind of mistake will happen, and more than once.
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Old October 2 2011, 03:09 AM   #1169
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Also, the lack of the original Crisis would mean that the unlimited multiverse still exists;
No, because the relaunch holds open the possibility that no such multiverse ever did exist.
Except we've already been told that we're getting a JSA book set on Earth 2.
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Old October 2 2011, 03:11 AM   #1170
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I feel like Dan Didio suffers from verbal diarrhea. He just says things without any real plan, which sucks because he's in charge of a creative outlet...
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