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Old August 24 2013, 09:10 PM   #7156
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I think a lot of people were expecting a war between Leagues led by Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.
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Old August 24 2013, 09:41 PM   #7157
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I think I was expecting a New 52 take on Twilight of the Superheroes for some reason. That kind of would be awesome I think. I am wanting to like Trinity War, but it's just completely underwhelming to me. I am however looking forward to Villains Month and Forever Evvvvvvvvvilll.
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Old August 24 2013, 10:00 PM   #7158
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Based on Flashpoint, I was expecting it to have to do with the three universes rolled into one. I was surprised when Stormwatch wasn't part of the story.

On a side note, one thing I have really liked in the new 52 is how well the Wildstorm characters fit in with the established DC ones.
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Old August 24 2013, 11:20 PM   #7159
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Nightwing fans have been forewarned...something bad is about to happen to him. Bleeding Cool has speculated about it for the last couple of months, it doesn't seem to be death, but DiDio seems determined to put him through the ringer at least lol!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/...ronto-fanexpo/
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Old August 25 2013, 12:18 AM   #7160
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Maybe he gets killed and deaged back to Robin.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:33 AM   #7161
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For those that don't know, Rich has stated/suggested that the Crime Syndicate capture him and torture him. They have an interest in him for some reason, most likely to do with Dick being considered by some to be the heart and soul of the DCU.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:39 AM   #7162
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans? Does he has a history with Superman? He doesn't with Superboy anymore.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:53 AM   #7163
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans? Does he has a history with Superman? He doesn't with Superboy anymore.
Did he have a relationship with Superboy previously? Dick wasn't even born when Clark was Superboy. Tim was Kon-el's Robin.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:09 AM   #7164
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:11 AM   #7165
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Whoops, I was thinking of the friendship between Tim Drake and Conner Kent in Geoff Johns' Teen Titans
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Old August 25 2013, 04:11 AM   #7166
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.
This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.
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Yeah, that is why I wonder what the Crime Syndicate would have any particular interest in him, unless they know how important he is to Bruce specifically and are attempting to attack him and the league through Grayson.
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Yeah, that is why I wonder what the Crime Syndicate would have any particular interest in him, unless they know how important he is to Bruce specifically and are attempting to attack him and the league through Grayson.
I admit, I've pared back my DC reading significantly over the last few months, so I don't know what the build-up to "Trinity War" and Forever Evil is like, but...

Would it be possible that the Crime Syndicate doesn't realize which Earth they're dealing with? That they're assuming that they're dealing with a very different Earth (the pre-"Flashpoint" Earth) than the New 52 Earth, so they would expect characters to be far more important (or less important) than they are?
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Old August 25 2013, 08:19 PM   #7169
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I very much doubt it since a lot of the Multiverse such as Earth-2 and Earth-16 (and likely Earth-3) also got rebooted by Flashpoint.
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Old August 25 2013, 10:41 PM   #7170
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Isn't it simply that Nightwing is important to many fans regardless of how 'famous' he currently is in his fictional universe?
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