DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[Mr Light]

I'd rather have present day stories than a year long detour...

[Hound of UIster]

Isn't the 11-issue arc about the riddler?

[Mike Farley]

There are 3 other Batman books (Detective, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman and Whoever) to tell modern stories. I'm okay with one book stepping off and telling an early days tale.

Snyder did hint in an earlier interview that The Riddler was his next villain to focus on.

[Admiral_Young]

This isn't a retelling of the origin. This is pretty much what the arc title says...year zero, we were teased with this with the zero issue back last September which ended with the reveal of The Riddler. This will be about Bruce building the cave, etc.

[Derishton]

The latest announcement has me interested in Snyder's Batman for the first time since the reboot. I'm guessing it gets back to the architectural theme he was running with in Gates of Gotham. (I know Court of Owls was in some sense a continuation of that interest in Gotham itself, even if I wasn't interested enough to read it.)

[Mr Light]

My problem with it is up til now "Batman" has been the the premier title of the franchise, but by going into the past it's giving that up. What's the primary title now? Detective?

[Admiral_Young]

"Batman" is still the premier title, why has that suddenly changed in your mind because Snyder is going back into the past? It's not like the quality of the stories or writing is suddenly going to change, or Capullo's art is going to suck lol.

[Mike Farley]

Maybe he'll draw it in the style of Bob Kane?

Edited to add: Before the nu52 relaunch the "premier" title was whatever title Grant Morrison was working on. It WAS Batman, then Batman and Robin, then Batman Inc. Premier doesn't really mean much.

[kirk55555]

Well, I won't rant about the horrible writing of Snyder or the lack of good origins in the New 52 (Did anyone think Tim Drake's new origin was a good idea). I'll just say that, while I'm sure it will suck, as long as Catwoman isn't turned into a prostitute, it will atleast be better than Miller's Year One.

[Admiral_Young]

Scott Snyder wasn't responsible for the alterations to Tim Drake. That was DC Editorial I believe and then Scott Lobdell who wrote them.

[kirk55555]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Scott Snyder wasn't responsible for the alterations to Tim Drake. That was DC Editorial I believe and then Scott Lobdell who wrote them.

I wasn't trying to say that snyder was responsible for that garbage. I was just using it as an example of the New 52's inability to tell a good origin, which is really just a byproduct of every single change the New 52 has made being either terrible or pointless, but thats a different conversation.

[Admiral_Young]

The direction and mistakes that editorial have made since the relaunch has been discussed and covered in detail in the thread before. I don't think you'll find a lot of us who will disagree with you on that. As I've said before, not everything they've done is complete garbage as you claim. They have a lot of great books, just also a lot of crap as well.

I started out with roughly fifteen or sixteen books I think when the relaunch happened, now I'm down to about four or five (not including digital).

[Mike Farley]

Out of 39 #1's I've sampled (from the first 2 waves), I stuck with 17 titles--several of which have been canceled out from under me.A less than 50% stick ratio ain't that great. Overall, I'd guess that I'm buying about the same amount of titles I did before the relaunch.

On a related note, I've gone from 2 or 3 Marvel titles to considerably more in the wake of Marvel Now. Still, we'll see where that number lies in a year or so.

[Mr Light]

What I mean is, "Batman" is the most important book in terms of story and events. It's the book that creates the crossovers like Night of the Owls and Death of the Family. Now that it's going into the past, it's not the event book anymore. It's not going to control the flow of the other books' stories, it's going off on a tangent. I'll still enjoy the story I just find it a surprising move.

[Admiral_Young]

We don't know that at all. Snyder could be using "Year Zero" to build and set up a greater storyline we don't know about yet. Snyder has basically been de-constructing and rebuilding the mythos and the character since he started. This goes back to his and Kyle Higgins Gates of Gotham, which I believe was mentioned by someone before. This is still the "flagship" title for me. No other book in the family is doing the kinds of thing and has been as great as Snyder's book has been. (except perhaps Batman Incorporated which is the conclusion of Morrison's run). Exploring Bruce's past changes nothing for me...just seems a funny way to look at it to me I guess. *Shrugs*.