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Old January 5 2013, 03:40 AM   #5641
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I read Superman # 15 based on Trekker's recommendation and...amazingly enough found myself liking it. The art work as usually with Kenneth Bocafort is simply stunning. I love this man's work. The writing is typical Scott Lobdell, only he seems to be actually writing an actual arc here which is surprising, and his characterization of Superman is bang on, same with Superboy, and Luthor. I absolutely love New 52 Lex Luthor. Trekker was right as, the issue implied that there has obviously been additional major conflicts between Lex and Superman and even one where Clark was I assume close to killing Lex since he has scars.

I also notice that we may have an explanation for Superman and Superboy's presence on Krypton as Clark mentions H'el wants to go back in time. The only thing I didn't like was the monologue about Clark's feelings about Diana. They've not spent that much time together, I'd hardly call her his "beloved". I did like the mention that only Batman knows about them Rao...I might continue with this book.
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Old January 5 2013, 03:51 AM   #5642
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Those weren't Clark's thoughts, but rather Diana's.
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Old January 5 2013, 03:59 AM   #5643
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I read Superman # 15 based on Trekker's recommendation and...amazingly enough found myself liking it. The art work as usually with Kenneth Bocafort is simply stunning. I love this man's work. The writing is typical Scott Lobdell, only he seems to be actually writing an actual arc here which is surprising, and his characterization of Superman is bang on, same with Superboy, and Luthor. I absolutely love New 52 Lex Luthor. Trekker was right as, the issue implied that there has obviously been additional major conflicts between Lex and Superman and even one where Clark was I assume close to killing Lex since he has scars.

I also notice that we may have an explanation for Superman and Superboy's presence on Krypton as Clark mentions H'el wants to go back in time. The only thing I didn't like was the monologue about Clark's feelings about Diana. They've not spent that much time together, I'd hardly call her his "beloved". I did like the mention that only Batman knows about them Rao...I might continue with this book.
The going theory I've been seeing is that Lex managed to push Supes to the very brink of his moral limits where he shot at Lex with a blast of heat vision, possibly with the intent to kill him, and Lex survived with the heavy scars. So Lex now represents to Superman how far he's gone against his own moral code of not killing. Superman's visit to Lex wasn't so much about getting information but seeing this side of himself again to conclude if he can go that far again should he need to kill H'El. In the start of this arc we see Superman shirtless from behind and even see he has some scars are his back/shoulder blades. Possibly also due to the encounter. (Heavy enough where they've either not healed at all due to Superman's powers, or are taking a long time to heal. Though when we see this Superman has been underground for sometime testing his limits for a Dr. Veritas (sp?) and has drained his "solar battery" so it's possible the encounter was "recent" to that event and his body was still trying to heal.

Liked the use of Superboy in this issue (if it wasn't clear, H'El almost killed Superboy since he's an abomination (clone of Superman and a human) but Superman saved his life, but Superboy is currently wearing Superman's Kryptonian Armor to "heal." Leaving Superman to his old jeans/t-shirt costume.

I've seen others take issued with the "beloved" bit from WW too, but it didn't bother me as much. The two have more of a history together than just what we've seen since their kiss in the JL book (#11?) which started their current romantic interests. It's possible, at least for her, it's been "love at first blush", the kiss sealing her feelings towards Supes.

I look forward to any future issues that does deal, directly, with the previous encounter between Superman and Lex. The art in the book does continue to be really, really, good. I didn't like it at first when this artist started but I've grown to like it. At first it seemed too rough and sketchy, sort of like story boards or costume/wardrobe sketches. But I've grow to really like the quality it has.

But, man, the highlight of this book is clearly the use of Lex and how he comes across. I mean, wow. This is the best version of Lex Luthor I think I've seen (including print AND film/TV) in a very, very long time.
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Old January 5 2013, 04:49 AM   #5644
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Yeah sorry, those were indeed Diana's thoughts which make them even worse. I don't see Azzy's Diana calling Clark "her beloved" at this point in their relationship at all. In fact I don't see Azzy acknowledging their relationship at all in his book, but it was a minor nitpick on my part.

I agree Trekker, it would seem that Lex's scars were heat vision induced. This is the first time I've seen this version of Superboy not be annoying as well.
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Old January 5 2013, 05:57 AM   #5645
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I now see, belatedly, that some of the early New 52 issues are already being published in hardcover form. Does anyone know of any good sites that review these books as books, rather than issue by issue?
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Old January 5 2013, 03:39 PM   #5646
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Collected Editions is what you want. A strong emphasis on how they read as books: http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/
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Old January 5 2013, 07:09 PM   #5647
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Neat, thanks.
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Old January 6 2013, 03:18 AM   #5648
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I've been going back through some of my Green Lantern trades, and it's really been making me lament the current state of the GLC book. It's essentially become the Guy Gardner show. While I love Guy, he's not what made GLC so awesome during Tomasi's original run. It was the fact that, while Guy and Kyle took the spotlight, it really was about the whole Corps. Vath and Isamot have only appeared in what are essentially cameos, and not even together. Their unlikely friendship was one of the best elements. Have we even seen Soranik, Arisia, or Sodam since the the New 52? Maybe they don't want to deal with Soranik's relationship with Kyle, since Jade no longer exists. Heck, even Kilowog barely appears. Kilowog! The most popular non-human Lantern there is has barely a bit part in this book. Oh man, I would really like to see a return to the ensemble that made this book awesome. It's really been missing some magic since the New 52.
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Old January 9 2013, 12:27 PM   #5649
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You know what? I said I was going to pass on this after Morrison's conclusion next month...but based on this interview, and the Tony Daniel artwork, I think I'll give it a look.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/andy...ptimistic.html
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Andy Diggle wrote the awesome Adam Strange mini-series almost 10 years ago. I haven't read much of his work since, but if he can write half as good on Action Comics as he did on Adam Strange, it'll be a great run.
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Old January 10 2013, 05:18 AM   #5651
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Andy Diggle wrote the awesome Adam Strange mini-series almost 10 years ago. I haven't read much of his work since, but if he can write half as good on Action Comics as he did on Adam Strange, it'll be a great run.
I am definitely going to stick with Action, but I would really like DC to develop a five years earlier Superman series, maybe with back ups from around the rest of the universe, to fill in the background stories of the nuDCU.
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Old January 10 2013, 05:21 AM   #5652
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I still want a "Smallville" (you don't have to call it that since we have Smallville Season 11 going on right now) type mini-series (probably nothing longer than a four or five issue mini-series) that fills in what happened in New 52 Clark's youth up to him first developing his powers. I know I might be in the minority here, but under someone like Jeff Lemaire it would be pretty awesome.
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Old January 10 2013, 05:32 AM   #5653
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I still want a "Smallville" (you don't have to call it that since we have Smallville Season 11 going on right now) type mini-series (probably nothing longer than a four or five issue mini-series) that fills in what happened in New 52 Clark's youth up to him first developing his powers. I know I might be in the minority here, but under someone like Jeff Lemaire it would be pretty awesome.
It could tie in to the Secret Origin of the Legion mini from last year, maybe pick up where that book left off.
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Since they have all of the New 52 collections available for the Nook I've been thinking about just jumping into them with an occasional pre-relaunch story, rather than focusing on pre-Relaunch stuff.
I definitely plan on picking up Batman, Action Comics, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Justice League Dark, and The Flash.
My maybes are Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Justice League, and Birds of Prey.
After looking through some of the rewviews around the web, I don't think I'm going to bother with BOP or Suicide Squad (I like Harley, and the whole villains working for the good guys idea , so I was thinking about trying it) since nobody seems very fond of them. I'm thinking about about starting with Batman, Aquaman and JLD.
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^ Those would be good starts.


The other thing I want is a Grant Morrison written Legion of Superheroes. The snippets of them we've had in Action Comics so far have been awesome.

Also, pretty sure I've found a writer to replace Paul Levitz on Legion of Superheroes...Sholly Fisch, with Chris Sprouse on art. The back up story was interesting!

Action Comics #16: Grandiose is a word that I think would describe this issue nicely. Also this isn't what I expected, it was pretty awesome. Morrison's story is coming together quickly now as all the parts are in place for next month's grand finale. Rags art was spectacular as usual. His Lois is stunning.
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