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Old October 30 2012, 02:43 AM   #5371
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If we were expected to see the connections between a series we're told is "before the new 52" / no longer in real continuity and a bunch of series in which we have no idea how the last "five years" really worked, I'd consider that to be unfair play. How can I be expected to look for clues in series I'm told have nothing to do with Batman Inc, especially if those clues are "done time" and "is male"? It could be Catman, for all I know. Azrael. This is exactly one of those "in the gaps" between continuities moments that is driving some of us nuts. A murder mystery where the identity of the murderer is revealed in clues in an otherwise unrelated cook book is a failed mystery.
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Old October 30 2012, 03:18 AM   #5372
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I wish new 52 was a real reboot.. an honest to goodness reboot. For example, Batgirl really was weighed down by the paralysis story that survived the complete retoolong. I kind of just wished they started Batgirl over from scratch.
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Old October 30 2012, 04:00 AM   #5373
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This is something that has irked me for a few years now. DC cowtows to Morrison like he is a demigod. "write our books and we will do whatever you ask"

This same crap led to the Bulls__t that was Countdown to Final Crisis really having nothing to do with the actual Final Crisis.

Morrison is a fine writer and I like a lot of what he does, but if he can't play with the team then he should leave and do his own thing.
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Old October 30 2012, 05:01 AM   #5374
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I think Morrison has been affected by editorial as well during the relaunch. At NYCC he stated that he originally intended "Action Comics" to be six issues, and editorial asked him to extend it to a full twelve issue. Plus we know there are issues with Batman Inc.
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Old October 30 2012, 05:21 AM   #5375
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I think DC Editorial lets Morrison do what he wants (mostly), but then they go ahead and do what they want as well. Then they hope no-one notices that none of it makes much sense.
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Old October 30 2012, 05:30 AM   #5376
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^ Yeah, like the case with Perez, where they didn't tell him what Morrison was doing with Action. I'm also not saying that Morrison isn't without fault, because we do know he tends to ignore stuff at times and do his own thing, but I don't really feel like he is too blame in any of this stuff.
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Old October 30 2012, 10:04 PM   #5377
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I don't blame Morrison for Countdown to Final Crisis - he's made it pretty clear that he wasn't happy with Queseda's decision to screw around with the New Gods, essentially contradicting and sometimes retelling pivotal events from Final Crisis itself. Without Countdown, I think more people would acknowledge that Final Crisis is actually a masterpiece. With Batman Inc, it really was there first, and it really annoys me that DC published this epic over six years and then screwed around with the franchise by allowing Snyder to duplicate the plot in the Owls arc. That's now a pattern on DC's part: "Good idea, Grant, now we're going to tell the same story in a slightly different way at the same time."

I haven't read Perez's run, but it might have been nice of DC to simply let the two men tell their stories and then sort it out later, if continuity was a problem. They're both huge talents. As readers, we should've felt spoiled for choice.
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Old October 31 2012, 12:41 AM   #5378
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he's made it pretty clear that he wasn't happy with Queseda's decision to screw around with the New Gods,
Quesada?
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Old October 31 2012, 06:25 PM   #5379
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Stephanie Brown is back. She will be appearing in Batman: 'Lil Gotham digital comics starting today I believe.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/lil-...fs-nguyen.html

I might check these out. Right now I'm loving the heck out of Yale Stewart's JL8 series (formerly known as Little League). I have never thought much of "kid" or "baby" character type stuff but Yale's work is exceptionally fun. There are 84 issues and they're presented in comic strip form. Seriously good.

http://jl8comic.tumblr.com/
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Old October 31 2012, 08:27 PM   #5380
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he's made it pretty clear that he wasn't happy with Queseda's decision to screw around with the New Gods,
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Oops! Didio. You say tomato?
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Old November 1 2012, 04:48 PM   #5381
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Justice League #13: Not much came of the Superman/Wonder Woman kiss, but I like the Cheetah story. I never thought that Wonder Woman had a good counterpart the way Bats and Supes did with Joker and Luthor, but now I see that she does in Cheetah. Wonder Woman is supposed to represent "spirit" and Cheetah is the denial of that. She's someone who clings more to the animalistic part of man. I'll finish out the arc just to see what they do with this, then I'll drop the title again.
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Old November 1 2012, 10:03 PM   #5382
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Death of the New Gods was awful. here's hoping that they do something interesting with them in the new 52. they seemed to have planted the seeds in WW already.
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Old November 1 2012, 10:32 PM   #5383
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Also there was a big New Gods connection in the JLD Annual.
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Old November 1 2012, 10:47 PM   #5384
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That was pretty interesting. Gotta wonder where they're going.
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Old November 3 2012, 09:34 PM   #5385
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Let's see...

Aquaman
Action Annual

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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
TMNT Annual
Ghostbusters

Aquman was okay, but I wasn't big on the current story arc and look forward to where it's going from here. Only other book I've read is GB which was pretty good in of itself with the GB now facing competition.
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