DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[Icemizer]

I think you missed the point of Phantom Stranger. He had to deliver Rachel to the people who could train her in her abilities. The only people who could do this are her father and his minions. If this doesnt occur she will never become Raven and be strong enough to stand against him when the time comes. Rachel would have just been a tortured young girl unable to control her ability wandering the Earth feeling only pain. Now that would have been evil.
I was more interested in this family he had at the end of the story. Are they figments of his mind or some real family he has in an effort to find some happiness? Will their deaths make him even more a stranger? I am looking forward to finding out.

[Admiral_Young]

Didio talks about Stephanie Brown finally.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dan-...ll-answer.html

I get the fact that they don't want to reintroduce characters right away...but I think my own personal problem with their stance, is that they basically did that at first. We were told quite specifically that Stephanie would return as The Spoiler. Then they went ahead and did nothing with her. It's still very weird.

[kirk55555]

Honestly, I hope DC never reintroduces Cassandra Cain. She's my favorite Batgirl, and is one of my top ten favorite superheroes. DC has already destroyed my favorite hero (Captain Marvel), and others heroes/villains I really like. I don't need to see cassandra as a hyper active, fast talking, bubbly high schooler with no fighting skills who is the daughter of Katana and Alfred, and knowing DC what I just said is probably not too far off the mark. Heck, pre-52 DC already screwed her up once, by letting a writer who (from what I remember) admitted to never reading her series turn her into a villain and basically mess up over 70 issues of character development. I really like Cassandra, but I hope she can just stay in limbo until the next reboot.

[Derishton]

It seems to obvious to me that Brown/Cain are shelved because DC wants to emphasize Barbara Gordon first and Batwoman second; it's about dilution. But the twist is that they not only want to emphasize the current Batgirl and Batwoman (and the current Flash), they have an even more vested interest in "proving" the claim that people were clamoring to get Gordon back (and Barry Allen, etc). The DC architects wanted this, but they want you to think you wanted it, too. We were always at war with Oceana.

Sarcasm aside, it makes sense to do it this way. It's their IP farm, anyways.

[OdoWanKenobi]

Hmmmm, one issue after Lee departs Justice League and I already see an improvement in the characters and their interactions. Could our theories about his co-plotting have been true after all? Heck, I think the art is better in this one, too.

[Trekker4747]

Supergirl and Catwoman today.

[Hound of UIster]

OdoWanKenobi wrote:

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Hmmmm, one issue after Lee departs Justice League and I already see an improvement in the characters and their interactions. Could our theories about his co-plotting have been true after all? Heck, I think the art is better in this one, too.

The improvement in Daniel's art is remarkable.

[OdoWanKenobi]

I know. The first splash page with Wonder Woman and Cheetah was so stunning that I felt like I had to go back and make sure I had read who the artist was correctly. I didn't know Daniel had it in him. I also loved the bit between Flash and Cyborg.

[Trekker4747]

Anyone see the preview for the next issue of "Superman"? Looks very interesting.

[Admiral_Young]

Dr. Veritas. Heh. Kenneth Rocafort's art is simply stunning. I was a big fan of his during Paul Cornell's Action Comics run. He's the right artist for this book.

[Trekker4747]

I'm a bit mixed on the art. It looks good but also a touch rough, like some excess line needed erasing out or something. It also looked like on Superman there were scars? (!) Maybe from the tests and they'll heal when he gets re-exposed to sunlight? In the preview it also interestingly suggests how strong Superman is if he can basically bench-press the weight of the entire planet over the course of five days and only just begin to break a sweat through a single bead of it. Tells you a lot about how much he has to holdback when fighting or doing anything, really.

[Admiral_Young]

All Star Superman kind of touched on Clark's strength as well. Morrison had him at his most powerful. Almost like in "Kingdom Come". The only part of this that bugs me is Scott Lobdell's writing. I know he is just going to annoy me at some point which makes me not want to get this.

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, but in AS-Superman wasn't his strength and other powers enhanced due to over-exposure to the sun's radiation?

[Admiral_Young]

Grant Morrison interview from NYCC. He talks about his desire to write an episode of "Doctor Who" but mostly focuses on the end of Action Comics, what he originally planned, and the finale of his Batman run. I think he reveals the name of who the Little Guy is in this as well...and mentions his un announced project (which I assume is his Wonder Woman project?).

http://www.newsarama.com/common/medi....php?aid=47839

[theenglish]

Icemizer wrote:

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I think you missed the point of Phantom Stranger. He had to deliver Rachel to the people who could train her in her abilities. The only people who could do this are her father and his minions. If this doesnt occur she will never become Raven and be strong enough to stand against him when the time comes. Rachel would have just been a tortured young girl unable to control her ability wandering the Earth feeling only pain. Now that would have been evil.
I was more interested in this family he had at the end of the story. Are they figments of his mind or some real family he has in an effort to find some happiness? Will their deaths make him even more a stranger? I am looking forward to finding out.

And if time moves faster where she is, then she could be in the Teen Titans sooner rather than later.