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Old August 25 2012, 10:30 PM   #4951
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He was good when he started out in the business.

Look at the Hawk & Dove mini he did in the 80s.
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Old August 25 2012, 11:32 PM   #4952
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Wow. I have a very, very low opinion of Tom Breevort due to his propensity to always talk trash about DC. He seems to be someone who is willing to rip apart the competition to further himself.

However, man, am I on his side for this one and my opinion of Breevort was raised when he posted about not Marvel not wanting Liefeld after this Twitter flameout. Good on you, Tom! I may have to reevaluate my opinion of him.
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Old August 25 2012, 11:42 PM   #4953
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Wow. I have a very, very low opinion of Tom Breevort due to his propensity to always talk trash about DC. He seems to be someone who is willing to rip apart the competition to further himself.
There has always been been a certain level of trash-talk on both sides of the Marvel/DC fence. I generally consider it to be mostly good-natured ribbing of the competition rather than genuine malice. Look at how fast Brevoort defended Liefield's editor Brian Smith as being a "stand-up guy".

When Before Watchmen was announced JMS said something along the lines of, "This isn't just another summer event pitting this team against that team", which was an obvious dig at Marvel and AvX.
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Old August 25 2012, 11:49 PM   #4954
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Yeah besides which those comments usually come when Brevoort is being interviewed by someone. Both companies have clashed with each other and taken pot shots. I actually thought Brevoort was pretty diplomatic about the whole New 52 thing when he was initially asked about it last year.
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Old August 26 2012, 12:12 AM   #4955
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Brevoort use to be very friendly with the fans. It was only during the Quesada era that the bad reputation he has developed.
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Old August 26 2012, 12:44 AM   #4956
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Well, I'm just basing this on the comments I've seen. And I admit, I've always been more of a DC fan than a Marvel fan, so I'm prone to bias on DC's part (though in recent years, I have been a fan of some of their comics, but not their editorial decisions).

With Marvel's long-term success over DC, it always seemed to me that Marvel took the position of the big bully and DC played the part of the weakling getting sand kicked in its face. There were times when the ribbing seemed good-natured, times with it seemed a bit overboard, and times when it seemed downright mean.

Case in point, Jeph Loeb in 2005/6 took some shots at Marvel, especially in his last arc on Superman/Batman, in which they faced the Maximums (a non-to-subtle rip on The Ultimates). I remember him making some disparaging/cheap-shots at Marvel. In what seemed no time at all, Loeb quit DC and started working for Marvel. Shortly thereafter, he fired some shots at DC. I just laughed at how quickly his tune changed when the people signing his paychecks changed.

I understand this stuff happens all of the time. Characters/concepts homaged/parodied on both sides, shots fired at both companies, etc. It just always seemed to be more than just good-natured from those like Breevort and he always seemed quick to insult DC. As I said, I may have misjudged him.

It's like sports rivalries. Some fans/teams/owners/players are good-natured about it and keep it up for the fans. Others seem to really hate the other team. And sometimes what seemed good-natured was really hateful and vice versa. At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter.
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Old August 26 2012, 12:52 AM   #4957
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He was good when he started out in the business.

Look at the Hawk & Dove mini he did in the 80s.
Karl Kessel's inked saved that book.
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Old August 26 2012, 02:42 AM   #4958
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Here is a fun early example of Marvel/DC trash-talk, courtesy of Brian Cronin's excellent column Comic Book Legends Revealed.

I know of another example where an issue of Batman from this same era shows Batman swing from a flag-pole and musing that he was swinging from flag-ploes much longer than "a certain Peter-come-lately".
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Old August 26 2012, 03:13 AM   #4959
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Also apparently...adding to his douchebagginess...Liefeld got into a twitter fight with Scott Snyder earlier today.
Courtesy of Bleeding Cool...

Rob Leifield calls Scott Snyder a "pretentious prick". Project much, Rob? He even posted a private conversation between himself and Snyder.
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Did this guy actually have any fans? If he did, he must have all lost them all now.

He went after Tom Brevoort as well.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/...ort-oh-its-on/
Wow, Leifield is a serious asshole. And it sounds like he isn't even talented enough for that to make up for his personality.
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Old August 26 2012, 03:42 AM   #4960
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He's talented enough to become a millionaire for not being able to draw a normal-looking person, a foot, or depicting how clothes look on people. (Shirts are basically straight lines across the upper arm, right?)

But he can draw the fuck out of pouches and belts!
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Old August 26 2012, 03:53 AM   #4961
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I just found this awesome Batman fan art on Blastr. DC should hire this guy for some covers or something
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Old August 26 2012, 04:31 AM   #4962
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He was good when he started out in the business.

Look at the Hawk & Dove mini he did in the 80s.
Karl Kessel's inked saved that book.
Speaking of Karl Kesel, apparently, he's selling off his comic collection to cover the costs of adopting and getting treatment for his new, baby son. There's an article here with more of the story. Truly heartwarming.

The parents of the infant in question wanted his son to grow up being raised by a comics loving family. The baby was born addicted to heroin, so not only did Karl and his current wife (I was surprised to find out that it wasn't Barbara, apparently they divorced a few years go) adopt the baby, they are doing everything they can to raise money to cover the costs of taking care of the kid. Luckily, the baby already went through detox and is home with the Kesels now. They are hoping insurance will cover the medical bills, but are not 100% sure.

Just the kind of heartwarming story we need to balance out the Liefeld stuff. I really wish I was in a position where I could donate to this cause.

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Here is a fun early example of Marvel/DC trash-talk, courtesy of Brian Cronin's excellent column Comic Book Legends Revealed.

I know of another example where an issue of Batman from this same era shows Batman swing from a flag-pole and musing that he was swinging from flag-ploes much longer than "a certain Peter-come-lately".
I think that's a good example of how easily we can become biased. To me, DC's jab was good natured. To Gerard all those years ago, it was mean-spirited.
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Old August 26 2012, 12:53 PM   #4963
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Liefeld's indefensible - seriously, not touching alcohol has done nothing for your temper, so maybe you ought to have a nip of something mellow. But I did laugh at Snyder's question about what kind of book a "Batman sells Batman" book would be. It's called "Dark Knight". It was terrible for most of the first year. It still sold.
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Old August 26 2012, 02:45 PM   #4964
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Wow. Those tweets were awesome. Thanks to all who posted where to find them.

It was fascinating getting a peek behind the curtain. I do have to agree with Liefeld to some extent-and Synder eventually does too-on the one point that Batman does sell pretty well on its own, despite the level of creative ability overseeing his adventures. That being said, I do think Synder has been pretty good, though the Night of Owls ended on an anti-climatic note.
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Old August 26 2012, 02:53 PM   #4965
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Batman only sells well now because they continued putting hot writers and artists on the book for several years straight along with having major Batman related events. Prior to this, its sales were lagging.
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