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Old April 20 2012, 10:46 AM   #3931
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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some of the books have continuity carried over from the DCU, mainly Batman and Green Lantern's continuities carried over.

So pretty much like Teen Titans after the original Crisis, IIRC. Because it was their best selling book, they didn't want to lose it to complete "from day one" reboot. Which led to the mess of the early days and people trying to figure out what was in and what was out.

Over the years, the current regime has basically done updates on all the big hits of their teenage years, (Great Darkness Saga, Crisis, 70's era JLA lineup, etc) and they've even recreated their own post reboot timeline cluster fuck. LOL!

Being out of comics for a year has helped me mellow on it all, and having purchased my share of Golden Age Archive editions, I'm not as averse as I used to be of just having each hero in his own world and being "the main hero".

I realize I'm in the minority on that one though.

Probably my favorite book in recent times, and one I'd still pick up if it weren't in limbo, is Paul Grists "Jack Staff". It's an entire comic universe in one book, with multiple threads and characters.....but the catch is every time it switches characters, it's like your reading that characters chapter in an anthology book, complete with logo and catch phrase.

It had a cool sense of both modern comics and comics of yore, plus it was just plain FUN. Something most mainstream comics aren't.
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Old April 20 2012, 11:32 AM   #3932
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An interesting rumor from Bleeding Cool...

An excerpt...

I understand that for one month all the original new 52 books will be numbered #0 instead of being #13. And that their #13s will run in October instead.

That the zero issues will reveal stuff that happened before issue #1. Year Ones, flashbacks, origins.
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Old April 20 2012, 11:48 AM   #3933
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Ugh, I hate # 0 s and # .1 s and # -1 s it just screws up the ordering of things
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Old April 20 2012, 11:55 AM   #3934
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Those assholes.

It's advertising for the new trade paperbacks.

You're not going to buy the back issues, because you're comfortable with the decisions which you have made, so you're not going to buy the trades either, but if you get sucked into this Zero issue bullshit cross over, suddenly you're forced... TRICKED into liking something new and you are buying BOTH the trades and the back issues.

The zero issues.

Either sell them for 25 cents each or spray the internet with free digital copies.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
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Old April 20 2012, 05:28 PM   #3935
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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some of the books have continuity carried over from the DCU, mainly Batman and Green Lantern's continuities carried over.

So pretty much like Teen Titans after the original Crisis, IIRC. Because it was their best selling book, they didn't want to lose it to complete "from day one" reboot. Which led to the mess of the early days and people trying to figure out what was in and what was out.
By not rebooting Batman & GL and yet rebooting everything else, yes, they are essentially making the exact same mistake they made before that caused the continuity "problems" that the reboot was supposed to get rid of.

Anyhoo, count me in as someone who is disappointed in JLA. There was almost no actual story in the first 6 issues.

And I have a question for people reading the regular Wonder Woman title. Is she as horribly written and cliche there as she is in JLA? I always prefered "Sophisticated Ambassador Wonder Woman" to "Conan Wonder Woman."
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Old April 20 2012, 06:04 PM   #3936
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And I have a question for people reading the regular Wonder Woman title. Is she as horribly written and cliche there as she is in JLA? I always prefered "Sophisticated Ambassador Wonder Woman" to "Conan Wonder Woman."
Wonder Woman's solo book is WAAAAY more interesting than JLA. It's more like Urban Fantasy/Horror. Worth checking out.
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Old April 20 2012, 07:28 PM   #3937
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How cohesive is the New 52? ...I'd say that the overall structure of the New 52 is very loose.
I have no idea, really, but "loose" seems plausible. The Superman titles seem to track reasonably well, but I don't pay enough attention to the details to be sure. I lost track of Superboy about three issues ago and haven't decided whether to try to catch up. I'm going to read the last three Green Lantern issues this weekend.
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Old April 20 2012, 07:47 PM   #3938
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By not rebooting Batman & GL and yet rebooting everything else, yes, they are essentially making the exact same mistake they made before that caused the continuity "problems" that the reboot was supposed to get rid of.
Isn't comic continuity fun? I'm working on collecting IDW's UK trades now for the original Transformers run, and those generally avoided continuity problems. They're more amusing from the perspective of the timing issue (the UK issues were published weekly whereas the American issues were only published monthly, and thus the Marvel UK branch wound up creating a lot of original filler material between American ports).
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Old April 20 2012, 08:08 PM   #3939
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I kinda liked Justice League 8: I didn't pick up on the Booster Gold vibe because Green Arrow seemed like he was channelling his counterpart for the animated Brave and the Bold series. I thought the two-page "where was the JLA during Night of Owls and the Vampire/Gotham invasion" was done just about right.

I love the way Wonder Woman just keeps twisting around. It feels like a book that reads incredibly well now, plenty of cliff-hangers, but is going to read terrific in trade, too. That's rare these days.
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Old April 20 2012, 10:30 PM   #3940
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Bleeding Cool updates about the Zero Issues and includes something rather interesting...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/...c-zero-issues/

If Keith Griffin returns to Legion of Superheroes I'll be checking it out.
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Old April 21 2012, 01:17 AM   #3941
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I kinda liked Justice League 8: I didn't pick up on the Booster Gold vibe because Green Arrow seemed like he was channelling his counterpart for the animated Brave and the Bold series. I thought the two-page "where was the JLA during Night of Owls and the Vampire/Gotham invasion" was done just about right.

I love the way Wonder Woman just keeps twisting around. It feels like a book that reads incredibly well now, plenty of cliff-hangers, but is going to read terrific in trade, too. That's rare these days.
Traditional WW fans seem to hate it and that seems to hurt sales.
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Old April 21 2012, 01:22 AM   #3942
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I love the way Wonder Woman just keeps twisting around. It feels like a book that reads incredibly well now, plenty of cliff-hangers, but is going to read terrific in trade, too. That's rare these days.
Traditional WW fans seem to hate it and that seems to hurt sales.
It's still a Top 25 book; I'm not sure any other era of Wonder Woman could claim that. If Wonder Woman's urban fantasy/horror vibe is "hurt[ing] sales," it's not hurting them in this reality.
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Old April 21 2012, 02:07 AM   #3943
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I'm absolutely loving Wonder Woman and I would consider myself to be a "traditional" fan of the character. This is exactly the kind of shake up she has needed for a long time now IMO.
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Old April 21 2012, 02:35 AM   #3944
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I love the way Wonder Woman just keeps twisting around. It feels like a book that reads incredibly well now, plenty of cliff-hangers, but is going to read terrific in trade, too. That's rare these days.
Traditional WW fans seem to hate it and that seems to hurt sales.
It's still a Top 25 book; I'm not sure any other era of Wonder Woman could claim that. If Wonder Woman's urban fantasy/horror vibe is "hurt[ing] sales," it's not hurting them in this reality.
It use to be Top 20.

And a lot of these old fans are seriously outraged because the writer made the amazons into rapists and murderers.
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Old April 21 2012, 02:38 AM   #3945
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Aren't "traditional" Wonder Woman fans always outraged at a new writers run? I seem to remember some controversy or hub bub during the Ruka run.
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