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Old September 10 2011, 10:54 PM   #346
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If you want a laugh, page through Hawk & Dove. Liefeld's work is dreadful.
Oh dear God, is he still getting work?? Why? How? All those Kubert graduates are spinning in their graves.
He's getting work because people continue to buy his books. Hawk & Dove is one of the titles that sold out at the midnight launch at my LCS.
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Old September 10 2011, 11:14 PM   #347
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He still gets work because people think his art is TEH AW3Som3! Even though there is considerable evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure everyone has seen THIS but it's a good example of how much the man sucks.
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Old September 11 2011, 12:02 AM   #348
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I liked Youngblood.
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Old September 11 2011, 12:36 AM   #349
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the last time I like Liefield was when he drew Hawk and Dove # 1 (1987) Karl Kessel totaly saved the art that time.
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Old September 11 2011, 12:42 AM   #350
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I don't think I've liked any of Liefield's work.

Did anyone catch the subtle Legion reference in Action Comics #1? I completely missed it the first read through but it is where Clark is talking with his landlady...
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Old September 11 2011, 02:05 AM   #351
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Thanks that explains who those three were.
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Old September 11 2011, 02:15 AM   #352
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If you want a laugh, page through Hawk & Dove. Liefeld's work is dreadful.
Oh dear God, is he still getting work?? Why? How? All those Kubert graduates are spinning in their graves.
He's getting work because people continue to buy his books. Hawk & Dove is one of the titles that sold out at the midnight launch at my LCS.
that book is BAD.
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Old September 11 2011, 03:07 AM   #353
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Oh dear God, is he still getting work?? Why? How? All those Kubert graduates are spinning in their graves.
He's getting work because people continue to buy his books. Hawk & Dove is one of the titles that sold out at the midnight launch at my LCS.
that book is BAD.
Oh, I agree. It's horrific. But for some reason, much of the comic buying public of Cardiff disagrees.
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Old September 11 2011, 03:10 AM   #354
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I don't think I've liked any of Liefield's work.

Did anyone catch the subtle Legion reference in Action Comics #1? I completely missed it the first read through but it is where Clark is talking with his landlady...
I mentioned it. I dunno if I'd call it subtle, though.

Re: Hawk and Dove--Hawk and Dove's gonna look awful regardless of who drew it, because Hawk and Dove look awful. I mean, reasonable minds may differ, but for my money they're the worst designed DC characters I can think of--at least that aren't in some fashion willfully bad, like Gunfire or Mad Dog.

It's funny, since their closest Marvel analogues are such paragons of good design. They're just as scientifically proven to be uninteresting, sure, but at least Cloak and Dagger are pretty.

Also, Hawk's existence ruined Armageddon 2001. His is a legacy of shame.
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Old September 11 2011, 03:18 AM   #355
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^ I apologize if you mentioned it...so much keeps getting talked about in this thread lol. I passed on Hawk and Dove due to Liefield drawing the book. They were two of the more interesting characters in Brightest Day and in Birds of Prey.
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Old September 11 2011, 03:28 AM   #356
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^ I apologize if you mentioned it...so much keeps getting talked about in this thread lol. I passed on Hawk and Dove due to Liefield drawing the book. They were two of the more interesting characters in Brightest Day and in Birds of Prey.
No worries.

I guess I really shouldn't talk shit about Hawk and Dove, because I've read about three panels' worth of Hawk and Dove material in my life. The concept feels like it would be better served by a Dr. Fate book.

I wish I could explain why I think they look so bad. It's not like I hate red/white and blue/white color schemes--like, Rocket Red? Ice? They look great, and are frequently standing next to each other. Maybe it's the complete lack of detailing or accessorization? Their stupid masks? I have no idea.
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Old September 11 2011, 03:53 AM   #357
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I don't think I've liked any of Liefield's work.

Did anyone catch the subtle Legion reference in Action Comics #1? I completely missed it the first read through but it is where Clark is talking with his landlady...
Yeah I caught that. I felt like this had an ounce of Smallville feel to it, or what the last few seasons should have been. I really liked Clark as a person more than Superman. I still liked both though. It definitely felt like two, distinct people.
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Old September 11 2011, 04:17 AM   #358
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I loved seeing the television commercial for the New 52 during Doctor Who tonight on BBC America.

Just wish it were a better commercial.
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Old September 11 2011, 04:32 AM   #359
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If you want a laugh, page through Hawk & Dove. Liefeld's work is dreadful.
Every time I hear Liefeld's name, all I can think about is The Wizard World Incident.
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Old September 11 2011, 04:54 AM   #360
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Someone mentioned an unused design for superman's costume at the back of JLA or JLI, does anyone have a scan of that?
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