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Old December 6 2011, 01:35 AM   #2521
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Tom DeFalco will be taking over as writer of Legion Lost in March.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/tom-...st-111205.html
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Old December 6 2011, 03:25 AM   #2522
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Still not enough to get me to pick up the title, after reading and disliking the first issue. I saw "The New 52" as a chance to ditch the deadwood in my pull list and both Legion titles convinced me it was time to part with them.

Which is sad, because I like the Legion in concept and I have liked previous takes on the team, as I've mentioned several times in this thread.
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Old December 6 2011, 03:49 AM   #2523
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So essentially they have decided to spice up the title by getting a bunch geriatrics to write. Great idea DC.
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Old December 6 2011, 03:59 AM   #2524
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Paul Levitz need to move on from the Legion and they need to get someone fresh while keeping the same roster. I decided to drop Legion Secret Origin...there's nothing really new in it even though this is what Paul stated one of the points.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:22 AM   #2525
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You might like this new story better than the last story, but that doesn't mean DC is writing things stylistically different from before (which they aren't).
I don't think redefining the style was really the main goal of this, so much as cleaning away a lot of the continuity and backstory for newer people.
It's not about "style," whatever the fuck that's supposed to be. It's about content. This version of Superman differs from the oldDC boy scout in major ways and it's way past damn time.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:27 AM   #2526
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"Major ways" how so? Care to list some examples Dennis? I've been reading Superman pretty much consistently since Geoff Johns' run and I don't really see much difference. I dunno why you keep insisting the New 52 character is so drastically different or that he's somehow "better" when he really isn't. There have been a few surface changes and some adjustments to his back story, a redesigned suit, etc. Really not much different from what JMS, and company were doing before. As has been said glad you're enjoying the 52 Superman so much but it's not really too different from beforehand.

I will say that Grant Morrison has injected more fun in his Action Comics story that has been missing for a long time.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:40 AM   #2527
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What JMS tried to do failed and was ultimately boring. Morrison succeeded. And we haven't even seen his present day version yet.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:42 AM   #2528
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What JMS tried to do failed and was ultimately boring. Morrison succeeded. And we haven't even seen his present day version yet.
Exactly so.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:49 AM   #2529
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Again I'm talking about Superman in a general sense not just Morrison who I've stated is doing an outstanding job and has injected an enormous amount of fun. Perez has struck out in my opinion due to bad writing and awful dialogue. I can't wait to see when Action Comcis catches up to the present day 52'verse as I've stated many times in the thread already but in general I've not been blown away...and it's okay to disagree Hopefully Jurgens and Griffin can turn things around on "Superman". I want both Superman books to be interesting and fun, not just one.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:55 AM   #2530
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Perez's dialogue is beyond terrible, but the characterizations of the relationships between Clark and his coworkers are fine. I'm enjoying his edginess and alienation in the face of the fact that the world and other people don't and never have played by the rules he believes they should.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:57 AM   #2531
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Byrne's Clark had a boy scout-ish crush on Lois from the moment he saw her. There really never was anything too interesting going on there from a story point of view.
But he soaked up Lana Lang's sexual energy and turned it into superpowers, leaving her withered and alone. That was pretty cool.

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Paul Levitz need to move on from the Legion and they need to get someone fresh while keeping the same roster. I decided to drop Legion Secret Origin...there's nothing really new in it even though this is what Paul stated one of the points.
At this point, they might as well just give the thing to Christopher Bird and be done with it.

P.S. Chemical King sucks.
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Old December 6 2011, 04:59 AM   #2532
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I'd have gone for Lana, myself. Especially in her MILFy incarnation.
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Old December 6 2011, 05:04 AM   #2533
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I prefer Lori Lemaris. Sure, she's an abomination and has no identifiable, human genitalia, but she does have telepathy.

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Tom DeFalco will be taking over as writer of Legion Lost in March.
Well this is certainly the newest possible blood you could ever get. Christ almighty. Will he still be alive by issue 12? Goddamned boomers.

I mean, I guess he's "new" and "fresh" in the sense that he seems to have very little idea what the LSH is. Then again, at this point, neither do I. Objection waived.
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Old December 6 2011, 05:05 AM   #2534
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Again I'm talking about Superman in a general sense not just Morrison who I've stated is doing an outstanding job and has injected an enormous amount of fun. Perez has struck out in my opinion due to bad writing and awful dialogue. I can't wait to see when Action Comcis catches up to the present day 52'verse as I've stated many times in the thread already but in general I've not been blown away...and it's okay to disagree Hopefully Jurgens and Griffin can turn things around on "Superman". I want both Superman books to be interesting and fun, not just one.
Have you looked at the Superman comics that has been churned out post-Crisis? Outside of the long run by Byrne/Wolfman/Stern, which included some of the best Superman stories of the 80s and 90s, there has been very little good about the stuff that has followed. In fact I can say, there has been only a good handful of writers 1) Karl Kessel, 2) Jeph Loeb, 3) Joe Kelly and 4) Geoff Johns. That imo is a complete creative drought.

Look at Batman, in the same time frame, you have got incredible runs that even the comic created for the Animated Series has been great and even with Frank Millar's personal buttboy's personal attempt at sabotaging the books, you still had stuff like Winnick's Red Hood, Hush, etc.
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You might like this new story better than the last story, but that doesn't mean DC is writing things stylistically different from before (which they aren't).
I don't think redefining the style was really the main goal of this, so much as cleaning away a lot of the continuity and backstory for newer people.
It's not about "style," whatever the fuck that's supposed to be.
Style as in storytelling approach. Compare Silver Age stuff to current stuff. Very different styles and approaches. As a writer yourself, I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that.

DC is approaching their stories the exact same way, yet you've previously implied (perhaps unintentionally) that New 52 is doing something new. Outside of rebooting stuff, they really aren't.

It's about content.
Which is obviously what I wasn't talking about.

This version of Superman differs from the oldDC boy scout in major ways and it's way past damn time.
Again, DC has been largely doing this for the past ten years. This is really no different and picks up on stuff that was already being done.
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