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Old November 29 2011, 05:22 AM   #2446
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

I'm not a big fan of the "present day" battle suit either, nor am I fan of the proto-suit. I'd like to see a more traditional-look Superman suit. I mean it's been more-or-less the same thing for nearly 80 years why change it?


Oh because it looks like "underwear."
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Old November 29 2011, 03:05 PM   #2447
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He hates Bruce for not killing the Joker.
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I have a question about Red Hood and the Outlaws #3...

I'd push this a little bit further than Hound of UIster does: he resents Batman's failure to kill the Joker, but simultaneously knows that Bruce was the best thing to happen to him. He needs that memory gone to continue his path to bad-assery, as he understands it.
Thanks for making some sense out of it.

(I made a post yesterday, but it's gone now.)
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Old November 29 2011, 03:07 PM   #2448
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Oh because it looks like "underwear."
Yep - it looked foolish. That's why it's gone in the new movie, too.

I like the new suit much better.
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Old November 29 2011, 05:13 PM   #2449
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Dennis don't get me wrong i love a lot of the changes that have been made for Superman, I guess just for me personally I don't see much difference story telling wise between now and say what we were getting a few months ago. For me I miss elements of the previous continuity while still enjoying the heck out of a lot of the changes. I think one of my favourite changes you mentioned is the friendship between Clark and Jimmy. There was always that component between them before but it was never a really close friendship or bond. I like that Morrison has created that new dynamic.
I like Perez's Superman. And I think losing the Lois/Clark marriage improves things. But I can't call it revolutionary or even evolutionary. So far, the story could have come right out of a John Byrne issue about 25 years ago. It's basically just Superman in a slightly different costume.
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But... but... He wears JEANS! And has a bit of a surly and cocky attitude.

He doesn't wear the jeans in the Perez book, which is the book I was discussing.

And, yeah, he's a little surley and cocky but that showed up some during the late 80s Byrne era too.
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Old November 29 2011, 08:41 PM   #2450
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Byrne's Clark had a boy scout-ish crush on Lois from the moment he saw her. There really never was anything too interesting going on there from a story point of view.
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Old November 29 2011, 10:12 PM   #2451
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Yep - it looked foolish. That's why it's gone in the new movie, too.

I like the new suit much better.
Yeah, I'm so used to the new Superman suit now that the trunks on the old suit now look sillier than ever to me.

And not only that, but the old suit just looks so plain now. Considering we're now in the 21st century, they really needed to add some detail to that thing.
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Old November 29 2011, 10:17 PM   #2452
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The darker blue helps as well.
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Old November 29 2011, 10:36 PM   #2453
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And not only that, but the old suit just looks so plain now. Considering we're now in the 21st century, they really needed to add some detail to that thing.
What does this being the 21st century have to do with how plain or not-plain ones clothes should look? Are clothes today that much more detailed than they were at the time Superman was created nearly 80 years ago?

Anyway, the new suit/battle armor he wears now in the comics is fine. I've made my peace with it, but I still have no problems whatsoever with the old, classic, and traditional suit that served Superman well for his entire existence.
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Old November 30 2011, 05:14 AM   #2454
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I'm not a big fan of the "present day" battle suit either, nor am I fan of the proto-suit. I'd like to see a more traditional-look Superman suit. I mean it's been more-or-less the same thing for nearly 80 years why change it?


Oh because it looks like "underwear."
Well, if you ask the fact that something has stayed the same for 80+ years, is a perfect reason to change it if you get a chance.
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Old November 30 2011, 05:19 AM   #2455
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Are clothes today that much more detailed than they were at the time Superman was created nearly 80 years ago?
The art in comics is much, much more detailed than it was then. Hadn't you noticed?
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Old November 30 2011, 07:10 AM   #2456
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Well, if you ask the fact that something has stayed the same for 80+ years, is a perfect reason to change it if you get a chance.
Or wear more deodorant.


Just sayin'.
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Old November 30 2011, 07:14 AM   #2457
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You know this discussion about the suit which I guess somehow came out of mine and Dennis's debate about the quality of story and writing in "Superman" got me to thinking...I wonder if the drastic redesign has anything to do with the lawsuit? Does anyone know the current status of it is? Perhaps this is DC's way of removing themselves from the original designs?
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Old November 30 2011, 07:38 AM   #2458
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If they are trying to remove the original influences, they are not doing a very good job since they have the Y1 Superman in Morrison's Action Comics who is drawn heavily from the original.
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Old November 30 2011, 08:06 AM   #2459
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That's very true. Not to mention Morrison's take on the character harkens back to the original version as well. It was just a thought that popped in my head that probably can be dismissed.
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Old November 30 2011, 05:49 PM   #2460
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If they are trying to remove the original influences, they are not doing a very good job since they have the Y1 Superman in Morrison's Action Comics who is drawn heavily from the original.
Plus I can't imagine the lawyers would be satisfied with a few slight cosmetic changes like removing the trunks or adding some segmented armor. They'd probably want to lose the S shield, the blue/red color scheme, etc.
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