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Old October 29 2011, 07:46 PM   #1816
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I didn't relate to a single one of the complaints, and a couple of them - like the inevitable bleating in #4 about sexual content - were just droning irritants.
Well i kind of see the point about the hard or soft rboot complaint but thats just becuase I think DC should have gone scorched earth and started from scratch with EVERYBODY instead of picking and choosing.

Also lets face it Dectective does seem to have gone a little too far with the body mutilation.
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Old October 29 2011, 10:45 PM   #1817
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Here is their top ten things they like in the New 52.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-t...52-111027.html

The link I mentioned in the other one was broken. I can't say that I agree with a lot of these, especially the keeping it fresh one. If they wanted it fresh then they should have went with a complete hard reboot. Start from scratch. Instead they seem to have wanted their cake and eat it too but attempting to please all sections of fandom by having a weird meshed timeline. It still remains the thing I dislike the most about the relaunch but that is just my opinion.
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Old October 29 2011, 11:12 PM   #1818
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If you think about it as an attempt to keep what "worked" (defined by what was popular or critically acclaimed), the half-boot would make sense. But if that were the case, it would seem fine to get rid of the last ten years of Titans books, but not the seminal Wolfman/Perez run. And again, giving us a new JLI with no apparent history intact - when the entire appeal of that produce IS nostalgia ... that makes little sense at all.
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Old October 29 2011, 11:15 PM   #1819
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Again I should make it clear that I'm just stating my opinions. I'm glad that everyone else is enjoying the books that they are currently. I too am enjoying a good amount of them. I've come full circle and flip flopped because I was originally excited and extremely open minded to the announcement. As soon as details came about though and the books came out my opinion has soured somewhat. I guess I'm just not happy with how the process of this was executed. That's awesome though if others are enjoying the relaunch and have no problems with it.
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Old October 30 2011, 01:56 AM   #1820
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And again, giving us a new JLI with no apparent history intact - when the entire appeal of that produce IS nostalgia ... that makes little sense at all.
This JLI isn't meant to appeal to nostalgia. It's meant to be a continuation of the group from Generation Lost like Hawkman/Firestorm/Aquaman were springboarded from Brightest Day except here both writers: Giffen and Winnick aren't on the book and they gave the book to Jurgens. A similar thing happened to Hawkman apparently.
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Old October 30 2011, 02:15 AM   #1821
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I dunno. The major appeal to me of the JLI is its collection of loveable losers who still manage to do some good even though the usual story involves low stakes or spends most of its pages revolving around how they sort of can't stand each other. Ideally, the Justice League proper should be a global force anyway, obviating any need for a JLI if the book's just going to be regular old superheroics. (And Booster Gold without Blue Beetle seems kind of pointless; Giffen and de Matteis pulled it off for a little while, but the best part of the run really is when Ted's around; of course, near as I can tell, Barry Allen wiped Ted Kord out of existence; very sad. )

But hey, I didn't pick up JLI, I could be totally off-base.
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Old October 30 2011, 02:20 AM   #1822
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I'm not seeing any difference between the writing on this Batgirl comic and the previous one.
Bryan Q. Miller's Batgirl was fun. Stephanie Brown was snarky, and though some of her adventures were harrowing, there was an undercurrent of fun and hope.

Gail Simone's Batgirl is grim. Barbara Gordon is somewhat dour, and her adventures have been, thus far, rather dark. There's not a lot of fun.

Stephanie kissed Klarion the Witch Boy and hunted holographic Draculas with Supergirl. Barbara fights serial killers. That, in a nutshell, is the difference between the two books.
I was refering to the quality of the writing. I enjoy both books and characters, even if the tone is different.



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I don't even know why anyone signed off on a Hawkman book that doesn't have anything to do with the only interesting aspect of Hawkman there is. Granted, I didn't read it, but that's accurate right? No mention of reincarnation? I don't think Hawkwoman is in it. It's just this bird man who hits people with a mace. The flying, the macing? The candles on the cake. You don't make the whole cake out of candle wax.
I disagree. I think the flying and the mace is the most interesting thing about Hawkman. The reincarnation is a late retcon that I think was wholly unnecessary.

I understand why the reincarnation angle was added -- it was to make sense of the hay that DC had made of the Hawkman concept thanks to multiple reboots of the concept -- but that's not why I read a Hawkman comic. I read a Hawkman comic because I want to see a guy, dressed up like a Hawk, flying around and beating the crap out of people with a giant spiky mace.

It also helps if said Hawkman is from the planet Thanagar.

But that's not a direction DC wants to go anymore.
I think you'll find that Hawkman's first appearence in Flash Comics #1 included the reincarnation angle.
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Old October 30 2011, 02:24 AM   #1823
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Oh, yeah, I meant to mention that, but I wasn't sure. Khufu and whatever Sheira was called back in Egypt Days were there in the beginning, yeah? I thought they were archaeologists and stuff and killed Billy Batson's parents when they found the Ark of the Covenant. Maybe I'm crossing some stuff up.
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Old October 30 2011, 02:35 AM   #1824
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Oh, yeah, I meant to mention that, but I wasn't sure. Khufu and whatever Sheira was called back in Egypt Days were there in the beginning, yeah? I thought they were archaeologists and stuff and killed Billy Batson's parents when they found the Ark of the Covenant. Maybe I'm crossing some stuff up.
Sheira's name was Laura something.
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Old October 30 2011, 02:43 AM   #1825
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I don't see a Laura in here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkgirl
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Old October 30 2011, 02:52 AM   #1826
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I don't see a Laura in here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkgirl
Might have been Lara, pretty sure she raided a tomb.
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Old October 30 2011, 03:10 AM   #1827
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LOL. I actually had to go reference Wikipedia because I don't know that much about the Hawks.
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Old October 30 2011, 03:30 AM   #1828
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I don't see a Laura in here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkgirl
Might have been Lara, pretty sure she raided a tomb.
^_^

One thing I'd like to see in a Hawkperson story is the line, "Oh, no. It's you again, isn't it?"

Anyway, the main thing is, anyone writing a Hawkperson comic should have read The Years of Rice and Salt and be prepared to rip it off wholesale. That book is great, but it is deficient in two major respects: mace-related deaths, and space aliens. Nary to be found there.

And why does Carter always get to be the dude? Was this addressed in that Hawkperson book that I didn't read because I wasn't reading comics at the time? If I were Sheira, and I had to suffer through five thousand years of gender inequality, chattel status, and statistically probably a dozen or so rapes because my soul mate can't bear leave his dick behind, I would be pissed.
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Old October 30 2011, 04:19 AM   #1829
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Oh a whim, I bought the two Batwoman comics. Not impressed, I found the art in them to be horrible and the story really didn't grab me much at all.
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Didn't like the art???????
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