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Old October 21 2011, 11:22 PM   #1636
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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This Bruce Wayne is probably in his late 20s/early 30s.
Hard to say. The pre-Flashpoint Batman was probably around late 30s (or early 40s going by this estimate). Batman does seem pretty much unchanged, with the exception of things like his relationship with Catwoman. The Killing Joke still happened (3 years previously) and so did all of the Robins. (Dick Grayson and Tim Drake are confirmed by name, and Batman makes a quip to Batwoman about sidekicks going insane.) I reckon that that he's within a few years either side of 35.
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Old October 21 2011, 11:33 PM   #1637
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It is difficult to determine Bruce's age in "Catwoman" without knowing the time in the New 52 that it takes place in. The Batman, Inc Bruce has been suggested to be about 39 by the old DCU timeline.
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Old October 22 2011, 12:04 AM   #1638
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This week I really liked the Batman related books. I think Batman and Batman & Robin both got significantly better with their second issues. I thought Nightwing had a nice revelation and I thought Catwoman was an enjoyable read.

Also picked up Wonder Woman and Supergirl, no complaints. I thought Justice League looked good as usual but once again the book was too slight in the page count department. I also thought it shifted too awkwardly from the main action to Vic Stone and his dad. With Green Lantern Corps, I don't like the new vengeful attitude of some of the Lanterns, but the issue itself was okay.
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Old October 22 2011, 01:43 AM   #1639
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Between the two issues I actually like the Catwoman book and find her to be a rather interesting character. Sure the books overplay her sexuality but isn't that what Catwoman's always pretty much been about? Hasn't she pretty much ALWAYS just oozed sex?
Not since Brubaker's run on the book.

This is actually a step backwards, but not very surprising from Judd Winnick.
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Old October 22 2011, 03:29 AM   #1640
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I'm pretty happy not to have been paying much attention these last few years - a lot of the stuff that's being overwritten right now doesn't sound all that interesting.

Forty year-old Batman? Okay, I guess if I can believe he swings around on lines through skyscraper windows I can believe he does it at forty. But it's still ridiculous.
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Old October 22 2011, 04:49 AM   #1641
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I don't think they should have rebooted Hawkman or Firestorm.
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Old October 22 2011, 04:52 AM   #1642
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I don't think they should have relaunched anything, and I say this as someone who is enjoying a little of the 52 'Verse.
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Old October 22 2011, 05:02 AM   #1643
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I disagree. Overall I think the titles came out stronger after the reboot.

For Superman, you now have Grant Morrison directing the future of the character as opposed to pre-reboot where New Krypton and the aborted JMS stuff had left a big mess. My only problems is that neither Cornell and Roberson got any recognition from DC for the amazing stuff they put out and that they got rid of the marriage.

Wonder Woman. Certainly Azarello writing the character with Chiang on art had made it one of the successes of the new 52. It probably has more momentum coming in than the last attempt that suffered from the writer not knowing what a deadline.

Batman. I'd say this is even since instead of Morrison they have the equally talented Snyder at the driver's seat.

Green Lantern. This was one of the properties that wasn't rebooted and I think that was a mistake. Geoff Johns it seems to me is burnt out and Red Lanterns/New Guardians/GLC aren't really inspiring either.

Aquaman. Definitely stronger with Johns.

Justice League. No change other than having the heavy hitters, there doesn't seem to be a change in quality in regards to the writing.

Teen Titans. I'm not fond of what Lobdell did to Starfire. Johns seems to be doing alright with Cyborg. But I'm not thrilled with what they are doing to Kid Flash/Wonder Girl/Blue Beetle.

Firestorm - one of the properties that suffered due to the reboot and DC thinking Van Sciver can write.

Hawkman - just another headache waiting to happen. If Hawkman is fixed, don't break him again! Is that so hard?

Supernatural/Horror side - One of the strongest aspects of the NuDCU in my opinion with some of the best writers that DC has.
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Old October 22 2011, 05:11 AM   #1644
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I love a good barnacle scraping.
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Old October 22 2011, 05:32 AM   #1645
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I'm pretty happy not to have been paying much attention these last few years - a lot of the stuff that's being overwritten right now doesn't sound all that interesting.
Story wise, I think they were fine and stuff wasn't anymore "overwritten" than over at Marvel. Granted, there were a few misfires (for example, it was clear they had no idea what to do with The Flash since Infinite Crisis), but stuff was moving along just fine.

Problem was, not matter how "good" stuff was, sales were not improving and DC kept losing out to Marvel (save for maybe Batman). I am sure a LOT of that had to do with the Marvel movie rush over the past ten years.

They needed something to renew interest. A "reboot" to, ideally, bring in/back readers and a huge marketing push was the gimmick they succeeded with before and one they are seemingly succeeding with again.

Forty year-old Batman? Okay, I guess if I can believe he swings around on lines through skyscraper windows I can believe he does it at forty. But it's still ridiculous.
Hey, don't tell that to Adam West!

Seriously though, while Bruce might have been on the "older end" of his generation of superheroes, I don't think he was ever close to 40. I think it was more like 30-35.
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Old October 22 2011, 06:55 AM   #1646
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I haven't read the posts recently, so I apologize if it has already been discussed, but has there been any mention of the purple lady this month? I have only bought the current Action, Justice League, and Green Lantern (and I'm enjoying GL so sue me) and I haven't seen anything.
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Old October 22 2011, 07:13 AM   #1647
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I think she was only appearing in the #1s. Apparently, her story will eventually be dealt with in Justice League.
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Old October 22 2011, 08:41 AM   #1648
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Justice League. No change other than having the heavy hitters, there doesn't seem to be a change in quality in regards to the writing.
You know, I've been pretty hard on Justice League, but I will say it's better than 90% of the latest volume. The last volume was for the most part poor. That said it's no where close to JLA from the 90s-mid 2000s.
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Old October 22 2011, 12:20 PM   #1649
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This Bruce Wayne is probably in his late 20s/early 30s.
Hard to say. The pre-Flashpoint Batman was probably around late 30s (or early 40s going by this estimate). Batman does seem pretty much unchanged, with the exception of things like his relationship with Catwoman. The Killing Joke still happened (3 years previously) and so did all of the Robins. (Dick Grayson and Tim Drake are confirmed by name, and Batman makes a quip to Batwoman about sidekicks going insane.) I reckon that that he's within a few years either side of 35.
The numbers never make sense, it's pointless trying to add them up in a logical sense - he's whatever age they want him to be.
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Old October 22 2011, 12:24 PM   #1650
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It's not that often that you get that combination along with him remaining single. IRL there'd at least be every kind of rumor about his sex life in the tabloids all the time. In real, real life just about anyone in his situation is married, often has been more than once, and women are fucking him on the side anyway.

Bruce Wayne is as plausible as Clark Kent.
A few years ago they did a sub-plot where a social worker was trying to work out what actually happened to Jason Todd and thought that something funny had gone on. He and his partner go to Wayne Manor and Bruce answers the door in his dressing gown and behind him is a young asian girl who can barely speak engish (Batgirl of course), also in a dressing gown - confirming to the social worker that he's a sleeze...

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