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Old August 4 2011, 06:21 PM   #1
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Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

Out of all the Alpha Quadrant powers only one seems to be consistently targeted for conquest and assimilation.

Cardassia, Romulus, Qo'nos and even Vulcan have never had a single cube rolled against them, so far as we know. Earth has had at least two. The latter of those alien worlds is significant too, since it indicates a fixation with Earth / Humans in particular, rather than just the UFP as a whole... Vulcan and Earth are pretty much twin capitals of the Federation but the Borg are only interested in Earth.

It couldn't be for its people either. Humans tend to be a jack of all trades master of none, and for the borg should be a lower priority to make into drones. When you look at some of the others out there... Betazoids are telepathic, as are Vulcans to a degree... and then there are truly remarkable species like the founders, but the Borg seem disinterested despite the possibilities of adding such species to the collective.
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Old August 4 2011, 06:27 PM   #2
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

There was an episode planned for season five of Enterprise which would have explained this. Alice Krige, playing a Starfleet medical technician, was going to make contact with 22nd century Borg and end up the Borg queen.

Alternately, read the excellent Destiny novel trilogy, which deals with the beginning and the end of the Borg.
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Old August 4 2011, 06:56 PM   #3
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

Poor writing.

They weren't obsessed with Earth until First Contact/Voyager came along and started turning the Borg into a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
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Old August 4 2011, 07:04 PM   #4
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

I don't think the Borg are that obsessed with Earth, or else they would send more than one Borg cube at a time. At most, Earth is just one of many worlds that the Borg have an interest in assimilating, but it's not a top priority (i.e., a serious aggressive threat) and doesn't warrant more than a single Borg ship to test its defenses (which includes the Federation Starfleet) periodically, IMO. Earth likely received initial attention because it was the homeworld of the Federation, but now because it has successfully resisted two attempts at assimilation thus far.

But the Collective is patient. In the end, resistance will be proven futile anyway for Species 5618--even if it's years, decades, or even centuries from now.
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Old August 4 2011, 07:10 PM   #5
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

Or perhaps there is a logic to it, the Borg assimilate technology, launch an attack on Earth every few years and you get to adapt to the new technology.
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Old August 4 2011, 07:21 PM   #6
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

In TNG was it not insinuated that the Romulans were also having a problem with the Borg?
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Old August 4 2011, 07:54 PM   #7
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

star trek is made from the perspective of the Federation so we don't get to see too much of what happens to the Romulans, Klingons, etc.

I imagine the Borg have attacked them too but they too managed to overcome the deadly 1 ship at a time strategy.
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Old August 4 2011, 08:52 PM   #8
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Cause Earth has all the hot chicks?
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Old August 4 2011, 09:16 PM   #9
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

Deimos Anomaly wrote: View Post
Out of all the Alpha Quadrant powers only one seems to be consistently targeted for conquest and assimilation.

Cardassia, Romulus, Qo'nos and even Vulcan have never had a single cube rolled against them, so far as we know. Earth has had at least two. The latter of those alien worlds is significant too, since it indicates a fixation with Earth / Humans in particular, rather than just the UFP as a whole... Vulcan and Earth are pretty much twin capitals of the Federation but the Borg are only interested in Earth.
It's probably just because of the fact that Earth is the capital of the Federation. Cut off the head of the snake and all that.
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Old August 4 2011, 09:18 PM   #10
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

It's because Humans Are Special.
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Old August 5 2011, 12:47 AM   #11
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

I don't see any indication of them being uniquely obsessed with Earth/Humans. Sure, most of the Borg drones appear humanoid. And aside from the assimilation aspect, we do know that on some ships there is a Borg nursery where human looking babies are raised with Borg implants. So, they're definitely humanoid in nature.

But what the Borg are obsessed with is assimilating any technology/civilizations. They were introduced to the Federation (thanks to "Q") and in typical Borg fashion gave serious pursuit. Astonishingly, after the first cube is destroyed at Wolf359, we do not see a massive incursion into Federation space. You'd figure they would consider destruction of one of their ships means a very formidable enemy that they must vanquish (they certainly took this tact with species 8472). It may also be possible that communication from the cube just prior to its destruction gave a clue back to the collective as to what happened... and so the Borg held off on further attack oriented invasions into Federation space until they could close up the gaps in their defenses (like blocking unauthorized use of the "sleep" command). We do not see them make relentless pursuit of assimilating the Federation after BoBW in TNG. The Enterprise does encounter a lone crashed Borg scout ship, where they revive the one surviving occupant, make him aware of individuality, and introduce him back to the collective. So, they're still exploring the Alpha quadrant to some degree. The only other encounters in TNG are from rogue Borg factions, created by Hugh's awareness of individuality while back in the collective. Nothing noted about the Borg in DS9.
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Old August 5 2011, 12:49 AM   #12
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

I did wonder why the Borg never bothered attacking the Klingon Empire or the Romulans, and why Earth was their sole target.
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Old August 5 2011, 12:55 AM   #13
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maybe the Borg saw the Federation as a better target as it was a combined group of many civilisations. we dont see many non romulans or non klingons in their empires (though they must exist)
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Old August 5 2011, 03:39 AM   #14
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

I don't think the Borg are obsessed with Earth, merely curious. After coming in contact with humans and Federation tech, the Borg wanted to assimilate as usual. If they were really obsessed with Earth, they would have sent more than two cubes total to assimilate the planet.
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Old August 5 2011, 03:47 AM   #15
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Re: Why are the Borg obsessed with Humans / Earth?

Deimos Anomaly wrote: View Post
Out of all the Alpha Quadrant powers only one seems to be consistently targeted for conquest and assimilation.

Cardassia, Romulus, Qo'nos and even Vulcan have never had a single cube rolled against them, so far as we know. Earth has had at least two. The latter of those alien worlds is significant too, since it indicates a fixation with Earth / Humans in particular, rather than just the UFP as a whole... Vulcan and Earth are pretty much twin capitals of the Federation but the Borg are only interested in Earth.

It couldn't be for its people either. Humans tend to be a jack of all trades master of none, and for the borg should be a lower priority to make into drones. When you look at some of the others out there... Betazoids are telepathic, as are Vulcans to a degree... and then there are truly remarkable species like the founders, but the Borg seem disinterested despite the possibilities of adding such species to the collective.
I've come to the conclusion they're not obsessed at all.

So you're the borg queen.

1) you have what may very well be hundreds of thousands of ships at your command, along with billions of drones.

2) A transwarp gateway that can take you almost anywhere in the galaxy INCLUDING directly to Earth.

3) Seemingly the ability to travel back in time.

And what do you do with this massive advantage.

Send one cube to initiate a wierd time travel plot.

Makes complete sense
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