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Old August 10 2011, 12:29 AM   #31
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Re: CW Looking For "The Right Hero"?

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I never said that "The Vampire Diaries" was a "Buffy" rip off I was saying that your proposed idea could be construed as a "Buffy" rip off.
Since I was describing TVD, then QED...

Besides which I think Jetfire and the original article are talking about traditional comic book superheroes.
That's what I was describing. You take a traditional comic book superhero - costume, secret identity, angst over secret identity - and shoehorn it into the CW formula. Voila, a comic book superhero show made to order in the time-honored CW mold!

CW definitely isn't going to make a straight-up superhero show in the more mainstream style because those stories are for males and CW wants a show for females, and that's just for starters. They tend to churn out shows with a very narrowly defined brand identity. Even shows that veer off brand as little as Supernatural are treated as red-headed stepchildren. Just ask Dorian.

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the CW should create a new version of the show, but with something other than actual vampires at the core
Well, that's Veronica Mars.
VM isn't supernatural, is it? I think they'll go for the supernatural/sci fi element. That's definitely been successful for them.

I could see John Constantine, geared towards young females. Some hot, angsty guy who can't die - yeah, that works! They wouldn't use the Constantine name, unless they want Alan Moore to blow a gasket, because I'm sure the CW version would be the polar opposite of any adaptation he'd approve of.
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Old August 10 2011, 12:57 AM   #32
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You keep bringing up the "CW Formula" and I suppose that you didn't see the article that Jet posted where they're trying to change that formula. Again this isn't about formulas at all but about a network looking for the right type of superhero series to develop and air. CW is under a totally new CEO who is looking to change things.
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Old August 10 2011, 05:08 AM   #33
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Witches = Charmed; also a Teen-angst formula WB show before/during the merger
Err, no; the youngest of the three sisters was 23 and a college dropout when the series began. It wasn't a show about teens, but a show about adult women in their twenties dealing with adult concerns like careers and dating and marriage and parenthood.
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Old August 10 2011, 05:19 AM   #34
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Are there any superheroes created specifically for a female audience? I can't think of a single one, but if they exist, that's a good way to start.
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-The main character should be around age 18 and have lots of regular human friends of the same age group.

-The main character will have no or minimal adult supervision.

-The main character will be female. This could be a normal female in love with a male superhero, or a female superhero who is torn between her normal human boyfriend and another (bad) superhero character (also male). Whatever the configuration, there will be a love triangle.

-There can be gay characters, in fact I'd expect that, but odds are remote that the main love triangle will be anything but het.

-Even if the show starts with one lone superhero, more will show up along the way.

-The superhero(es) will have some angsty aspect to their powers that they can moan and cry over, and write about in their diary. The superhero doesn't have to be a literal vampire, but they should be a metaphorical one in the eternal-angst sense.
Well, you've just described Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Unfortunately that's not coming back any time soon.
Describes Sailor Moon perfectly too. It is a successful formula.
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Old August 10 2011, 05:44 AM   #35
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I'm actually stunned that CW isn't doing everything to get a Teen Titans show on the air. Superhero show with teen angst, good looking young people in troubled relationships, and all the various DC villains and stories they could get years of episodes out of?

Seems tailored made for them.
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Old August 10 2011, 05:45 AM   #36
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^ I would love a live action "Teen Titans" show on the CW with the founding members. That would be a large enough ensemble cast and if they wanted to they could add a couple more characters later.
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Old August 10 2011, 06:10 AM   #37
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Witches = Charmed; also a Teen-angst formula WB show before/during the merger
Err, no; the youngest of the three sisters was 23 and a college dropout when the series began. It wasn't a show about teens, but a show about adult women in their twenties dealing with adult concerns like careers and dating and marriage and parenthood.
Speaking of Charmed (a show I watched from start to finish and enjoyed but can't defend), I went to watch the pilot episode on Netflix today and discovered they changed the theme music to something really bland. I did at one point have the first two seasons on DVD, but I don't recall if I ever watched them before I sold them, so I'm not sure if this was done back when those were released or is something more recent. Either way, how bad is it if you can't afford the rights to your theme song? Does the fact that it was a cover song make it more expensive? Have any other shows changed their theme song for DVD or streaming?

In any case, it irritated me enough that I stopped watching right after the opening credits.
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Old August 10 2011, 01:14 PM   #38
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^Did you only check the pilot? Sometimes shows' pilots have different theme music than the rest of the series. Especially if a show's title sequence contains images from the show that could be spoilers for the events of the pilot, as Charmed's did. In that case, the pilot would tend to have a simpler title sequence, quite possibly with different music.
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Old August 10 2011, 03:58 PM   #39
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Witches = Charmed; also a Teen-angst formula WB show before/during the merger
Err, no; the youngest of the three sisters was 23 and a college dropout when the series began. It wasn't a show about teens, but a show about adult women in their twenties dealing with adult concerns like careers and dating and marriage and parenthood.
Regardless wether they were teens or not, the show was built around a "Teen Angst" formula. Tom Welling was 24 at the beginning of Smallville, 90210 gang were in their 30s, etc.
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Old August 10 2011, 07:14 PM   #40
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Regardless wether they were teens or not, the show was built around a "Teen Angst" formula. Tom Welling was 24 at the beginning of Smallville, 90210 gang were in their 30s, etc.
No, no, no... the actors on those shows were in their 20s or so, but the characters were in their teens, attending high school and whatnot. What I'm saying is that in Charmed, the characters were twenty-something women. In-universe, when the show began in 1998, Prue Halliwell was 28 (her birth year was established onscreen as 1970) and Phoebe, the youngest sister, was 23 (based on her stated-onscreen birth year of 1975). Paige was introduced 3 years later and given a birthdate of 1977, so she was 24 when she first showed up. Again, these are the characters' canonical ages.

And in the first three seasons, remember, it wasn't an equal ensemble; Prue was overwhelmingly the central character, the other sisters less so. So the focus of the show was primarily on a woman who was nearly 30, an adult who worked as a photographer in an art gallery. It was not a "teen" show by any definition.
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Old August 10 2011, 08:32 PM   #41
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Why they don't they just reboot/re imagine Buffy.

Kick ass female check
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Teen angst check
lack of originality check
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Old August 10 2011, 08:36 PM   #42
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Ok if they want to do something somewhat original, my suggestion is:

A young Barbara Gordon show. She could be a young 20 something computer specialist who helps out her father, the commissioner of police and maybe a mysterious vigilante that dresses up as some nocturnal pest (a raccoon I think ). Since they are planning to reboot Batgirl maybe CW should consider it.
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Old August 10 2011, 08:39 PM   #43
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Temis pretty much already suggested rebooting Buffy for television but once again that isn't the point of the thread. They're looking for another superhero based television series like "Smallville" with traditional comic book heroes. Not supernatural heroes who have powers or use magic or the like.
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Old August 10 2011, 08:39 PM   #44
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Re: CW Looking For "The Right Hero"?

Bonnie Tyler has gone on record as saying, "He's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast and he's gotta be fresh from the fight."

But her comments were made some time ago and I'm not sure how much influence she has over the CW's current strategy.
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Temis pretty much already suggested rebooting Buffy for television but once again that isn't the point of the thread. They're looking for another superhero based television series like "Smallville" with traditional comic book heroes. Not supernatural heroes who have powers or use magic or the like.
I think Termis wanted a show like Buffy not necessarily a reboot. Since this CW, a Buffy reboot is probably in the works. As for superheroes with no powers, I have to ask why bother. You've basically created a show about some vigilante with some serious issues.
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