That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug

Maurice · August 5 2011, 09:20 PM

I posted about this over on Trek Movies I-X, but realized it's probably a topic of interest here and not all of you here may read that forum. Sorry for the double-post.

Anyway, in short, I discovered yesterday that those shuttles seen flying in and around Spacedock in Star Treks III and IV were actually designed to be tugs.

I learned this speaking to Bill George of ILM, who designed and built the thing for ST III. When I mentioned that I'd never seen much about this craft, he said, "It's a tug. That's the tractor beam emitter," and pointed to the array of quarter-circle ribs on the back of the ship above the nacelles. He went on to explain his idea that these ships would act as tugboats in spacedock, which is why you see them moving around the Enterprise...ready to guide her if necessary.

So, there ya go...right from the designer's mouth, a bit of trivia I suspect none of us knew.

You can see the tractor beam detail in the photo in row3, columns 2 and 3, and row 4, column 3 of this page.

TIN_MAN · August 5 2011, 10:11 PM

Not sure, but this is pretty much common knowledge I think?

P.S. I first learned about it in "Jackill's Star Fleet Reference Manual" volume III, first printing 1995. So the truth is out there.

Maurice · August 5 2011, 10:22 PM

Really? I'd not seen any such mention of that previously. I'd be curious to hear how many people out there knew that.

TIN_MAN · August 5 2011, 10:31 PM

Yeah, it would be interesting to find out. I just assumed if I knew, pretty much everybody else did too, but who knows?

Saturn0660 · August 5 2011, 10:45 PM

I knew that..

Wingsley · August 6 2011, 02:14 AM

Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

SonicRanger · August 6 2011, 04:00 AM

I was disappointed this "tug" wasn't in Mr. Scott's Guide.

TIN_MAN · August 6 2011, 04:14 AM

Wingsley wrote:

Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

"Jackill's Star Fleet Reference Manual" volume III, has a two page spread on the spec's. He calls it the Clydesdale Class "Shutug".

Maurice · August 6 2011, 04:40 AM

Wingsley wrote:

Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

If not, I bet I can get Bill to let me document his model of it, which is in the same scale as a TOS shuttle, a TNG (Probert) shuttle and a TMP Workbee and Air Tram he also built.

Herkimer Jitty · August 6 2011, 09:37 AM

ye gods, I'm so tired I read this as

"That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Targ."

for a second there.

Comes as a surprise to me, since what I've seen usually just identifies it as a regular shuttle, but I don't have any of the materials published back in ye olde times of yore.

Timo · August 6 2011, 10:22 AM

I "always" bought the idea of the little craft as a tractor-beam tug, because it seemed so ill suited for anything else. No access hatch for surface disembarking, for example. Little in the way of landing gear as well; the matte in ST4 shows the craft rather precariously perched for maintenance. And the little figurines in the cockpit wear spacesuit-like working gear...

That matte scene is a bit weird, though.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tvhhd0055.jpg

We see no fewer than three of these working vehicles swarm around what is supposed to be a group of VIPs, delegates or other bigwigs, in a really cramped setting of clustered office-like buildings and tarmac marked with yellow lines for guiding vehicular movement. What is this place? The backlot of a shuttleport?

Timo Saloniemi

Boris · August 6 2011, 05:59 PM

This is nice to know, but what we really need from Bill George is a lot more information about the Excelsior class. Is the 1,531-foot length final? What are the intended functions of various details on the model (to the extent they were nailed down)? How involved was Bill George with the bird of prey and what can he tell us about its final size and detailing?

Mysterion · August 6 2011, 08:47 PM

Timo wrote:

I "always" bought the idea of the little craft as a tractor-beam tug, because it seemed so ill suited for anything else. No access hatch for surface disembarking, for example. Little in the way of landing gear as well; the matte in ST4 shows the craft rather precariously perched for maintenance. And the little figurines in the cockpit wear spacesuit-like working gear...

That matte scene is a bit weird, though.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tvhhd0055.jpg

We see no fewer than three of these working vehicles swarm around what is supposed to be a group of VIPs, delegates or other bigwigs, in a really cramped setting of clustered office-like buildings and tarmac marked with yellow lines for guiding vehicular movement. What is this place? The backlot of a shuttleport?

Timo Saloniemi

Perhaps this is "edge" of the spaceport facility. If the camera did a 180 turn you'd probably see the landing field itself, perhaps. These are the admin and maintenance buildings for the shuttle port. Boeing field in Seattle is kind of like this. Admin and hangar facilities run right up tp the tarmac at the field. IMO. YMMV.

Maurice · August 7 2011, 10:36 PM

I looked up the Jackhill version of the tug and while it's correctly identified as a tug, the features aren't correctly identified. It calls what Bill George identified as the tractor beam emitter as a radiator, and the engines are labeled as tractor beam emitters. I'll try to get photos next time I see Bill.

FalTorPan · August 8 2011, 02:31 AM

I never knew the purpose of that ship. Thanks for the info!

August 5 2011, 09:20 PM	#1
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug I posted about this over on Trek Movies I-X, but realized it's probably a topic of interest here and not all of you here may read that forum. Sorry for the double-post. Anyway, in short, I discovered yesterday that those shuttles seen flying in and around Spacedock in Star Treks III and IV were actually designed to be tugs. I learned this speaking to Bill George of ILM, who designed and built the thing for ST III. When I mentioned that I'd never seen much about this craft, he said, "It's a tug. That's the tractor beam emitter," and pointed to the array of quarter-circle ribs on the back of the ship above the nacelles. He went on to explain his idea that these ships would act as tugboats in spacedock, which is why you see them moving around the Enterprise...ready to guide her if necessary. So, there ya go...right from the designer's mouth, a bit of trivia I suspect none of us knew. You can see the tractor beam detail in the photo in row3, columns 2 and 3, and row 4, column 3 of this page. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

August 5 2011, 10:11 PM	#2
TIN_MAN Fleet Captain	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug Not sure, but this is pretty much common knowledge I think? P.S. I first learned about it in "Jackill's Star Fleet Reference Manual" volume III, first printing 1995. So the truth is out there.

August 5 2011, 10:22 PM	#3
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug Really? I'd not seen any such mention of that previously. I'd be curious to hear how many people out there knew that. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

August 5 2011, 10:31 PM	#4
TIN_MAN Fleet Captain	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug Yeah, it would be interesting to find out. I just assumed if I knew, pretty much everybody else did too, but who knows?

August 5 2011, 10:45 PM	#5
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August 6 2011, 02:14 AM	#6
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August 6 2011, 04:00 AM	#7
SonicRanger Rear Admiral Location: Sheffield, England	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug I was disappointed this "tug" wasn't in Mr. Scott's Guide. __________________ "STAR TREK is... Action - Adventure - Science Fiction." -- Gene Roddenberry, 1964, top of the first page of his original pitch and outline for Star Trek

August 6 2011, 09:37 AM	#10
Herkimer Jitty Rear Admiral Location: Herkimer Jitty	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug ye gods, I'm so tired I read this as "That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Targ." for a second there. Comes as a surprise to me, since what I've seen usually just identifies it as a regular shuttle, but I don't have any of the materials published back in ye olde times of yore. __________________ Fans are like space heaters. All we have to offer is hot air.

August 6 2011, 10:22 AM	#11
Timo Admiral	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug I "always" bought the idea of the little craft as a tractor-beam tug, because it seemed so ill suited for anything else. No access hatch for surface disembarking, for example. Little in the way of landing gear as well; the matte in ST4 shows the craft rather precariously perched for maintenance. And the little figurines in the cockpit wear spacesuit-like working gear... That matte scene is a bit weird, though. http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tvhhd0055.jpg We see no fewer than three of these working vehicles swarm around what is supposed to be a group of VIPs, delegates or other bigwigs, in a really cramped setting of clustered office-like buildings and tarmac marked with yellow lines for guiding vehicular movement. What is this place? The backlot of a shuttleport? Timo Saloniemi

August 6 2011, 05:59 PM	#12
Boris Lieutenant Commander	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug This is nice to know, but what we really need from Bill George is a lot more information about the Excelsior class. Is the 1,531-foot length final? What are the intended functions of various details on the model (to the extent they were nailed down)? How involved was Bill George with the bird of prey and what can he tell us about its final size and detailing?

August 7 2011, 10:36 PM	#14
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug I looked up the Jackhill version of the tug and while it's correctly identified as a tug, the features aren't correctly identified. It calls what Bill George identified as the tractor beam emitter as a radiator, and the engines are labeled as tractor beam emitters. I'll try to get photos next time I see Bill. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

August 8 2011, 02:31 AM	#15
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