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Old February 17 2012, 12:06 PM   #496
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

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Poor Kasidy Yates
You wouldn't be chuffed, if someone killed their spouse to make room for you?
hmm... let's see.. dude kills spouse so I can move in and then one day I burn the pot roast despite it being a no brainer replicator pot roast. Should I be worried? What would Deanna say? How do I feel about the pot roast?

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Old February 17 2012, 12:12 PM   #497
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There, there.

No one cares about the roast, if you have enough pot.
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Old February 17 2012, 12:17 PM   #498
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Is it synthebis or the real thing?
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Old February 17 2012, 12:29 PM   #499
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Ironically it was Colonel Green and his Optimum Movement, that fire bombed the last crop, but you'know World World III helped, not much of anything survived a hundred thousand atomic bombs spending themselves.
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Old February 17 2012, 10:35 PM   #500
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If they hadn't killed Jennifer, gods know who would have been given that command in orbit of Bajor, and the Worm hole would never have been found, and the Dominion war would have been delayed for centuries.
It always would have been Sisko. The prophets had already seen it.

Just like the Prophets always knew Winn Adami would be the bitch that let the Pah-Wraiths loose. She was destined. It didn't even require Opaka/Bareil dying for Winn to accomplish that feat, but it certainly made her job easier.
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Old February 17 2012, 11:12 PM   #501
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

You don't think Winn had a real choice in a few episodes?

Did Judas have a choice?

I'm not big on the no-choice, you were destined story line. Or maybe I just want to know that at the end they can all take that helmet off.
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Old February 17 2012, 11:27 PM   #502
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Were there prophets in the antitimeline created by the escape the Enterprise C, or McCoy saving Edith Keeler from a traffic accident, or Sisko precipitating the murder of Gabrielle Bell?

Do they only live in one time line, so that when time branches off, they say fuck it and continueon straight ahead ignoring tidal forces?
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Old February 17 2012, 11:37 PM   #503
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They don't have time lines. They are not linear.
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Old February 18 2012, 12:03 AM   #504
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choice strings.

a leads to b leads to inescapably c.

Edith Keeler lives, the nazis win the war, mankind dies out, Starfleet is never founded, the federation neither, and Sisko isn't born... And the prophets are sitting in their temple saying "What the fuck happened here?"

They see the universe from beginning to end all at the same time.

No problem with that.

But there's many universes, and sometimes a universe can be completely reconditioned and facelifted by a little wanton timetraveling and tomfoolery.
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Old February 18 2012, 12:18 AM   #505
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But there's many universes, and sometimes a universe can be completely reconditioned and facelifted by a little wanton timetraveling and tomfoolery.
Reboot it baby, reboot it now!!!

Also Janeway IS coming back.
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Old February 18 2012, 12:29 AM   #506
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choice strings.

a leads to b leads to inescapably c.

Edith Keeler lives, the nazis win the war, mankind dies out, Starfleet is never founded, the federation neither, and Sisko isn't born... And the prophets are sitting in their temple saying "What the fuck happened here?"

They see the universe from beginning to end all at the same time.

No problem with that.

But there's many universes, and sometimes a universe can be completely reconditioned and facelifted by a little wanton timetraveling and tomfoolery.
The universe the prophets live in is the one that always had those changes destined to happen. Time-travel tomfollery doesn't bother them.
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Old February 20 2012, 01:07 AM   #507
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But there's many universes, and sometimes a universe can be completely reconditioned and facelifted by a little wanton timetraveling and tomfoolery.
Reboot it baby, reboot it now!!!

Also Janeway IS coming back.
She can't come "back"... BECAUSE she never left in the FIRST place.



I don't believe in "no choice"...



Even if the future is foreseen because someone's actions are predictable, that doesn't mean there was no choice... it just means all the variables were factored in accordingly.

"This" time.



But variables are... after all... variable.

That's why they play the game, even after all the bookies have set the odds.


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Old February 20 2012, 01:24 AM   #508
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

Sfdebris is better than what little I've thankfully seen of ConfusedMatthew and RedLetterMedia (his overrated, plodding PT reviews) and he has done many positive reviews of Voyager episodes. Do you think how (subjectively) good a character has no bearing on the rest of the production? And Chuck has no real dislike for Kate Mulgrew as an actress.
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Old February 20 2012, 01:34 AM   #509
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I just want her to say something like "Where the hell are my grandbabies" to Myka next season on Warehouse 13.

Joanne Kelly, mmmmmmmmmmmm. Now that's what I call beautiful

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Old February 20 2012, 01:57 AM   #510
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I am watching Warehouse 13 now but only on season 1 (almost done) so please please, no spoilers without spoiler space. Decided to watch from the beginning for the full Mulgrew effect. It's surprisingly good, the acting and main characters being much more interesting than the plots.
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