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Old July 20 2011, 12:57 PM   #16
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?


The hardback ones, silly! You could beat someone to death with Avenger.
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Old July 20 2011, 12:58 PM   #17
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

Gulliver's Fugitives is also a really neat sci-fi concept, an exploration of a twist in society and the consequences.
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Old July 22 2011, 12:36 AM   #18
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

I'm dating myself, but a good hard science Trek novel is one of the very first--Spock Must DIE! by James Blish. Transporters gone wrong, biological science...it's got it all.

IMHO, of course.

Edit: It might be hard to find these days. Actually, and Christopher will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this was the FIRST Trek novel not eposodic.

Edit II: Though a lot of folk around here don't like it, Spock,Messiah is also rather technology based. Immortal Coil a must read
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Old July 22 2011, 01:25 AM   #19
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

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I'm dating myself, but a good hard science Trek novel is one of the very first--Spock Must DIE! by James Blish. Transporters gone wrong, biological science...it's got it all.

IMHO, of course.
Whereas I've always found it to be rooted in a categorically ridiculous premise, that tachyons are particles of thought. The rationale behind that was nonsense -- that the only way you can remember or envision something is by sending tachyons through space or time to the actual event and perceiving it directly, rather than, ohh, I don't know, storing the memories in your own brain or using your imagination.

So sure, it's got some good SF imagination behind it (along with the bad), but I wouldn't call it hard SF.



Edit: It might be hard to find these days. Actually, and Christopher will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this was the FIRST Trek novel not eposodic.
The first Trek novel was Whitman's Mission to Horatius, but it was a young-adult book. Spock Must Die! was the first original "adult" Trek novel.


Edit II: Though a lot of folk around here don't like it, Spock,Messiah is also rather technology based.
But the technology is really just a McGuffin to set the story in motion. It's not the primary focus of the story. And it's basically a mind-reading technology, so it's pretty fanciful.
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Old July 22 2011, 04:04 AM   #20
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

ok. What about Prime Directive? Given that it has human drama, but it's all about technology in a setting foreign.

How much for just the Planet?

To go episodic...Landru, Shore Leave, Tomorrow is Yesterday

All good, but I seem to remember a novel, not Immortat Coil, that dealt with the Exo robototarium

And, of course--Damn the Romans--

Sorry, Christopher, had to put a Dune plug...
Maybe some folk should read your books
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Old July 22 2011, 04:10 AM   #21
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How much for just the Planet?
A Gilbert & Sullivan-inspired satire with tongue fully in cheek for the entire length of the novel? It doesn't really scream hard sci-fi, you'll want to justify it more than that if you really see it as a hard sci-fi novel.

I mean, it literally had inflatable Starship decoys.
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Old July 22 2011, 04:18 AM   #22
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How much for just the Planet?
A Gilbert & Sullivan-inspired satire with tongue fully in cheek for the entire length of the novel? It doesn't really scream hard sci-fi, you'll want to justify it more than that if you really see it as a hard sci-fi novel.

I mean, it literally had inflatable Starship decoys.
What better way to use simple technology?
Keep 'em guessing
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Old July 22 2011, 06:16 AM   #23
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How much for just the Planet?
A Gilbert & Sullivan-inspired satire with tongue fully in cheek for the entire length of the novel? It doesn't really scream hard sci-fi, you'll want to justify it more than that if you really see it as a hard sci-fi novel.

I mean, it literally had inflatable Starship decoys.
What better way to use simple technology?
Keep 'em guessing
No, I'm saying that that literally wouldn't work. Not only that, but there's no usage of scientific principles anywhere in How Much For Just The Planet? from what I can remember of the book.

UncleRogi, what's your definition of hard sci-fi?
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Old August 5 2011, 06:00 AM   #24
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Re: Which are the most hard scifi Trek novels?

Surprised no ones brought up the TNG novel Dyson Sphere.... probably my favorite of the numbered TNG books and iirc it was some fairly hard core scifi in it, at least to me...
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Old August 5 2011, 02:46 PM   #25
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^I did mention "anything by George Zebrowski" (and his co-authors), so that implicitly includes Dyson Sphere.
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Old August 8 2011, 12:39 AM   #26
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^I did mention "anything by George Zebrowski" (and his co-authors), so that implicitly includes Dyson Sphere.

Since I enjoyed much of Pellegrino's non-fiction writing, I read Dyson Sphere when it first came out (though I must admit that I prefer the novelization of Relics by MJF in how it deals with the Dyson world).
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