RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,174
Posts: 5,435,518
Members: 24,945
Currently online: 606
Newest member: Adm Nogura

TrekToday headlines

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

View Poll Results: How do you rate Captain America: The First Avenger?
A+ 34 19.21%
A 51 28.81%
A- 34 19.21%
B+ 27 15.25%
B 15 8.47%
B- 5 2.82%
C+ 5 2.82%
C 4 2.26%
C- 1 0.56%
D+ 0 0%
D 0 0%
D- 0 0%
F 1 0.56%
Voters: 177. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 17 2011, 10:22 PM   #481
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
TemporalFlux wrote: View Post
Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
A WWI sequel, now there's an intriguing idea! Maybe they can start working their way backwards via time travel.
By the fourth movie, we may have "Captain Colonies" running around. For the fifth movie, maybe "Kick'em White Man".
Too late



Much too late



I'm sorry I said anything.

Anwar wrote: View Post
They did do the "American Civil War" Captain America thing with him being a Union Soldier imbued with spiritual powers by Native Americans, the "Essence of the Land" or something. His archenemy was a crazed Union Commander also affected by the mystical power who became "The White Skull" and founder of the KKK.
If he founded the KKK, shouldn't he be a Confederate, or was Marvel worried about sales in Southern states?

But it's a great idea either way. They gotta do a crossover with Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18 2011, 06:28 PM   #482
wamdue
Admiral
 
wamdue's Avatar
 
Location: wamdue
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

right a review of Capt America.

Before I review Capt America which I though was an excellent movie, I have a pondering, could Marvel take a shitty hero, give him/her a movie, but fill it with Iron Man & SHIELD refrences, and people come out saying how awesome it was?

This is not to say that Capt America is a shitty hero, but it is to say that the movie did at times feel distracted from Capt America, and a bit too busy refrencing Iron Man, and Thor. I get that they are trying to build up a universe, but im sure we need quite as much of Howard Stark as we saw, half of the time damm doing a decent impression of his son.

Moving on to Steve Rogers, he really shouldnt be called a "superhero", and I dont mean that in a bad way, he cleary has super strength, super speed etc, but hes very down to earth (unlike a certain other Stark I could mention) and he comes across as a real person, it is very much a case of the man who makes the hero, not the abilities.

I am sure I am not the first person to say this, but the end feels like a bit of a waste, even with Bucky dead you still wish there was another movie before he was frozen and woke up in the future.

The Red Skull villian looknig back feels like a safe choice, and whilst a capable villian didnt do a whole lot other superhero villians have done before him.

As much as I enjoyed the Star Spangled Man sequence, it feels like not only a waste of Steve Rogers, but a waste of movie time, in that by the time Stever Rogers becomes the soilder he was created to be, alot of the movie is over, and his battle to take down Hydra seemed rushed, some more of them matching wits would have been nice, more battles between the two, not just physical but also tactial, even with Red Skull winning a couple of rounds.

the Red Skull villian in his human mask, looked a little too much like Todd Carty.
__________________
Im Proud of the BBC

Last edited by wamdue; August 18 2011 at 07:22 PM.
wamdue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18 2011, 06:48 PM   #483
captcalhoun
Admiral
 
Location: everywhere
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Red Skull looks like Todd Carty!!
captcalhoun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18 2011, 06:57 PM   #484
wamdue
Admiral
 
wamdue's Avatar
 
Location: wamdue
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

captcalhoun wrote: View Post
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Red Skull looks like Todd Carty!!
it is possible im the only one to think that.

Admiral_Young wrote: View Post
Speaking of Dr. Zola...I loved Toby Jones performance (even though his suit reminded me of his Dream Lord outfit in "Doctor Who".
that is where I recongise him from, thanks.
__________________
Im Proud of the BBC

Last edited by wamdue; August 18 2011 at 07:24 PM.
wamdue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 12:20 AM   #485
Captain Craig
Vice Admiral
 
Captain Craig's Avatar
 
Location: Nashville,TN
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

Captain America 2 will likely be a mix of modern/WWII Captain America. I'd imagine not too unlike how Brubaker, but others as well, would tell a Cap story in the present that had some tie or made him recall a mission from his past.
“We certainly want at least a portion of the '40's, I think,” co-screenwriter Chris Markus tells PopcornBiz, and his screenwriting partner Stephen McFeely agrees: “The span of the movie is about two or three years, and there's a few times in the film where you jump four months ahead, you jump six months ahead. So we did that with the intention of saying, 'Okay, there are certainly unseen adventures that Captain America went on in that period that if we want to, we can go back and explore later.’”
**emphasis mine

So those montage sequences where they are pulling off Hydra stations/outposts are indeed taking some time. Two to three years it seems. They really should've conveyed that with an old style "calendar flipping" sequence cause now it'll feel like a retcon.
__________________
"Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9)
"Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime
Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1
Captain Craig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 12:38 AM   #486
Kelthaz
Rear Admiral
 
Kelthaz's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

I just watched it last night and I wasn't very impressed. A very generic action film with no memorable scenes. The villain was bland, the romance forced, the action scenes dull, the comedy lacking, and the ending was ridiculous. It wasn't terrible, but just forgettable. Tommy Lee Jones was the only good thing in the film.

C-
__________________
"Who are you?! And how did you get in here?!"

"I'm the locksmith. And... I'm the locksmith."
Kelthaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 12:55 AM   #487
DarthPipes
Rear Admiral
 
DarthPipes's Avatar
 
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

Captain Craig wrote: View Post
Captain America 2 will likely be a mix of modern/WWII Captain America. I'd imagine not too unlike how Brubaker, but others as well, would tell a Cap story in the present that had some tie or made him recall a mission from his past.
“We certainly want at least a portion of the '40's, I think,” co-screenwriter Chris Markus tells PopcornBiz, and his screenwriting partner Stephen McFeely agrees: “The span of the movie is about two or three years, and there's a few times in the film where you jump four months ahead, you jump six months ahead. So we did that with the intention of saying, 'Okay, there are certainly unseen adventures that Captain America went on in that period that if we want to, we can go back and explore later.’”
**emphasis mine

So those montage sequences where they are pulling off Hydra stations/outposts are indeed taking some time. Two to three years it seems. They really should've conveyed that with an old style "calendar flipping" sequence cause now it'll feel like a retcon.
I'd be happy if they had Cap fighting some real Nazis in the flashbacks.
DarthPipes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 12:56 AM   #488
Kelthaz
Rear Admiral
 
Kelthaz's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

I would expect some flashbacks in any sequel. It's just too good an opportunity to pass up.
__________________
"Who are you?! And how did you get in here?!"

"I'm the locksmith. And... I'm the locksmith."
Kelthaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 01:08 AM   #489
wamdue
Admiral
 
wamdue's Avatar
 
Location: wamdue
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

DarthPipes wrote: View Post
I'd be happy if they had Cap fighting some real Nazis in the flashbacks.
I dont know, flashing back to the various battles to take down the Hydra facility, seems like any sequel would be looking backwards, unless they are somehow able to set up a new villian in them, which seems tricky.
__________________
Im Proud of the BBC
wamdue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 01:58 AM   #490
The Borgified Corpse
Admiral
 
The Borgified Corpse's Avatar
 
Location: Ouch! Forgotten already? You were just down there 20 minutes ago.
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

^I've got this image in my head of starting a Captain America sequel with some heroic WWII flashback and then suddenly jumping to the present with Steve Rogers struggling to acclimate to some mundane, annoying aspect of modern life.

wamdue wrote: View Post
I am sure I am not the first person to say this, but the end feels like a bit of a waste, even with Bucky dead you still wish there was another movie before he was frozen and woke up in the future.
I do too, or at least I would if I thought it would be any good. I have a sneaking suspicion that any WWII Captain America sequel would likely follow the formula of diminishing returns established by Iron Man 2.

Dennis wrote: View Post
A friend of mine went to see the movie on Wednesday and, knowing where his and my tastes are similar, I suggested that he'd be happier with the movie if he just left after the kids playing Captain America in the streets.
After watching the movie a 2nd time, I agree. I would have kept the sequence of Captain America waking up in the present but I would have moved it to the end of the credits. The movie proper should end with the shot of the kids playing in the street. For one thing, that would have been a better transition to the heroic closing credits music. It's kind of a jarring transition going to that cue right after the sad beat of "I had a date."

Also, I would have changed it so that the 2 SHIELD guys at the beginning of the film would have been Nick Fury & Agent Coulson instead of 2 random guys we've never seen before.
__________________
Kegg: "You're a Trekkie. The capacity to quibble over the minutiae of space opera films is your birthright."
The Borgified Corpse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 02:29 AM   #491
Samurai8472
Vice Admiral
 
Samurai8472's Avatar
 
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

The Borgified Corpse wrote: View Post
^I've got this image in my head of starting a Captain America sequel with some heroic WWII flashback and then suddenly jumping to the present with Steve Rogers struggling to acclimate to some mundane, annoying aspect of modern life.

*Coulson to Rogers*

"You have 47 unread text messages"

"Why don't we just talk to each other anymore?"
Samurai8472 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 08:30 AM   #492
Creepy Critter
Admiral
 
Creepy Critter's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

The Borgified Corpse wrote: View Post
Dennis wrote: View Post
A friend of mine went to see the movie on Wednesday and, knowing where his and my tastes are similar, I suggested that he'd be happier with the movie if he just left after the kids playing Captain America in the streets.
After watching the movie a 2nd time, I agree. I would have kept the sequence of Captain America waking up in the present but I would have moved it to the end of the credits. The movie proper should end with the shot of the kids playing in the street. For one thing, that would have been a better transition to the heroic closing credits music. It's kind of a jarring transition going to that cue right after the sad beat of "I had a date."

Also, I would have changed it so that the 2 SHIELD guys at the beginning of the film would have been Nick Fury & Agent Coulson instead of 2 random guys we've never seen before.
Good ideas.
__________________
CorporalCaptain
Creepy Critter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 09:29 AM   #493
wamdue
Admiral
 
wamdue's Avatar
 
Location: wamdue
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

The Borgified Corpse wrote: View Post
^I've got this image in my head of starting a Captain America sequel with some heroic WWII flashback and then suddenly jumping to the present with Steve Rogers struggling to acclimate to some mundane, annoying aspect of modern life.
I take from the movie that Steve Rogers is a natural leader of men, but I struggle to see him as a leader of heroes in the modern world, he is going to have to learn alot if he is to lead Iron Man and the rest. Heck neither Thor nor Iron Man strike me as people who are easily to lead. Yet alone by someone with not alot of experince in the mdoern world. Still I guess there is a connect between Iron Mans aromour and Starks flying car in a "I see Stark finally got that flight thing sorted then" type of way.


The Borgified Corpse wrote: View Post
I do too, or at least I would if I thought it would be any good. I have a sneaking suspicion that any WWII Captain America sequel would likely follow the formula of diminishing returns established by Iron Man 2.
you may well be correct, but im sure there was a second movie before they jumped to the future.




The Borgified Corpse wrote: View Post
After watching the movie a 2nd time, I agree. I would have kept the sequence of Captain America waking up in the present but I would have moved it to the end of the credits. The movie proper should end with the shot of the kids playing in the street. For one thing, that would have been a better transition to the heroic closing credits music. It's kind of a jarring transition going to that cue right after the sad beat of "I had a date."
I agree that might have worked better, its part of what I said about it being its own film.
__________________
Im Proud of the BBC
wamdue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 09:42 PM   #494
JD
Admiral
 
JD's Avatar
 
Location: Arizona, USA
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

wamdue wrote: View Post
I take from the movie that Steve Rogers is a natural leader of men, but I struggle to see him as a leader of heroes in the modern world, he is going to have to learn alot if he is to lead Iron Man and the rest. Heck neither Thor nor Iron Man strike me as people who are easily to lead. Yet alone by someone with not alot of experince in the mdoern world. Still I guess there is a connect between Iron Mans aromour and Starks flying car in a "I see Stark finally got that flight thing sorted then" type of way.
Yeah, I could see Iron Man leading them alot more than Cap. Maybe in a while, once he's gotten adjusted to his new timeframe and his teammates, then Cap could lead the team, but definitely not at first.
__________________
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites
JD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19 2011, 10:36 PM   #495
Duncan MacLeod
Fleet Captain
 
Duncan MacLeod's Avatar
 
Location: New England
Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

Which, I believe, is how it was in the comics.

Cap didn't become leader of the Avengers until a year or two later. At first it was Iron Man who led the team for the most part although I don't think there was a formal chairman at that time. Tony kinda got the job because he was paying the bills.
Duncan MacLeod is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
avengers, captain america, marvel

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:49 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.