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View Poll Results: How do you rate Captain America: The First Avenger?
A+ 34 19.21%
A 51 28.81%
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B- 5 2.82%
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Old August 11 2011, 08:21 AM   #436
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People talking about Fury's age= didn't Sam Jackson pointedly say he knew Tony's father and that the father was a founding member of Shield? Figuring that Tony is about late 40s in age, that makes Fury at least 60 years old doesn't it?
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Old August 11 2011, 12:37 PM   #437
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^Which is consistent with the actor's age, so no contest.
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Old August 11 2011, 02:33 PM   #438
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The new Cosmic Cube origin is explained well enough in the film so that you don't really miss anything if you haven't seen Thor.
Really, it's a detail that flies by in Thor and its origin is a detail that flies by in this movie. I know a number of folks who've seen Cap who didn't see Thor or any other superhero movie this year, and no one has had their enjoyment of it diminished by tath.
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Old August 11 2011, 07:26 PM   #439
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People talking about Fury's age= didn't Sam Jackson pointedly say he knew Tony's father and that the father was a founding member of Shield? Figuring that Tony is about late 40s in age, that makes Fury at least 60 years old doesn't it?
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^Which is consistent with the actor's age, so no contest.
He and Tommy Lee Jones did play Marine Colonels and Vietnam veterans 12 years ago. Now Tommy Lee may have been too old for a WWII Colonel but he was in the SSR and not the Regular Army
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Old August 11 2011, 09:43 PM   #440
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Technically Phillips was a general in the comics.

There was a Col. James Fletcher who handled the nuts and bolts of the project though. A highly decorated Great War veteran who had been nick-named The American Eagle.

I guess they decided to combine the two characters and so we got Tommy Lee Jones as Col. Chester Phillips instead.
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Old August 11 2011, 09:54 PM   #441
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People talking about Fury's age= didn't Sam Jackson pointedly say he knew Tony's father and that the father was a founding member of Shield? Figuring that Tony is about late 40s in age, that makes Fury at least 60 years old doesn't it?
Or he knew him when Tony was a kid / teen.
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Old August 11 2011, 11:02 PM   #442
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Hats off to Leander Deeny, the other Steve Rogers:

They did indeed TRY this route first but it just wasn't working. It was so well publicized that it's no surprise people just didn't hear how they ended up going the above route. At best this actor was used as a fallback a "just in case" as the article says.[/QUOTE]

Not saying you're lying, but could you provide a source for that? Your link doesn't say anything about it not working.
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Old August 11 2011, 11:05 PM   #443
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I'm surprised they didn't name Jones' character "Duffy", after Steve Rogers' more memorable Sgt. Carter-style drill sergeant in the comics.
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Old August 11 2011, 11:23 PM   #444
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I'm surprised they didn't name Jones' character "Duffy", after Steve Rogers' more memorable Sgt. Carter-style drill sergeant in the comics.
I don't see how that's surprising. Phillips was the guy in charge of the program, and has always been mentioned as such.
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Old August 12 2011, 01:17 AM   #445
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One of my favorite little scenes was when The Red Skull and Arnim Zola were escaping to Skull's Focke-Wulf Triebflügel "thrust-wing fighter" and Zola pointed out it was one man and asked how he was going to get out,now at this point in any other movie is where the Skull would have killed him but instead gave him the keys to his car and told him not to get a scratch on it.
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Old August 12 2011, 01:31 AM   #446
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The Red Skull. A real stand-up kinda guy.
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Old August 12 2011, 01:58 AM   #447
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The Red Skull. A real stand-up kinda guy.
Well, he did kill more Nazis than anyone else in the movie.
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Old August 12 2011, 02:44 AM   #448
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I'm surprised they didn't name Jones' character "Duffy", after Steve Rogers' more memorable Sgt. Carter-style drill sergeant in the comics.
I don't see how that's surprising. Phillips was the guy in charge of the program, and has always been mentioned as such.
Hence the "more memorable" part. Phillips only figured into retellings of the origin. I'm a comics geek, and if you'd asked me before this movie what that character's name was, I couldn't have told you.
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Old August 12 2011, 03:09 AM   #449
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Not saying you're lying, but could you provide a source for that? Your link doesn't say anything about it not working.
And in fact it seems it worked just fine. LOLA, the folks who actually did the effects work and so should know more than the other folks involved have this to say about Deeny:

To achieve the virtual trickery, Paramount enlisted Lola Visual Effects. The Santa Monica, Calif.-based company had performed similar magic doubling Armie Hammer so he could play the Winklevoss twins in “The Social Network.”

“Leander is the unsung hero of this,” Edson Williams, visual effects supervisor for Lola, told TheWrap. “He was very dedicated and he was very aware of mimicking Chris’ timing. He wasn’t trying to get his performance out there. It’s his biggest credit and it’s a role where you never see his face.”

Lola employed three main techniques to make the all-American Evans appear weak and spindly, a combination of digitally shrinking or scaling down Evans, body doubles (that’s where Deeny came in), and grafting a digital file of Evans’ facial performance onto Deeny’s frame.

To attach Evans' head to Deeny’s body, the filmmakers would first shoot Evans in a scene. Then they would have Deeny watch what Evans had done on video playback, so he could mimic his movements precisely. Lastly they would film a clean plate, this is a pass devoid of principal actors that allows the background to be replaced behind the shrunken Evans.

Capturing the Evans’ expressions by grafting his face to Deeny’s body presented some challenges, namely that the necks of actor and his double were dramatically different. That necessitated having Lola digitally graft or project footage of Evans’ face below the Adam’s Apple onto Deeny’s frame. Had they tried to match the actors at different anatomical points, say below the chin, the differences would have been too pronounced for the trick to have worked.

“The heady replacements were tricky, because you were taking the head of a rhinoceros and putting it on the body of a gazelle,” Williams said. “The difference in muscles, in connective tissue was so vast, that it was very difficult to make the necks match up.”
If you watch the movie more than once you notice the many instances in which nothing more than body doubling was likely used.
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Old August 12 2011, 04:27 AM   #450
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Wonderful film til Captain America brings the prisoners back. Then it's not bad, but the only part you care about is Bucky's death. Sebastian Stan seems to really like Steve Rogers. He's a very good actor. But otherwise we know nothing about Barnes. I'm not sure who Winter Soldier is and don't care. The ritual face-off with Red Skull is okay at best. The advent into the present falls even flatter, because the character is truly tough and doesn't fall into a fit of histrionics.

Hayley Atwell seems to like Steve Rogers too but the unresolved sexual tension is as forced as most unresolved sexual tension. I don't really buy her as an agent. Dominic Cooper namechecks Stark and there's nothing else to say. Tommy Lee Jones is pleasant company but is just the guy who provides an artifical obstacle to Steve being a real soldier until it time to turn into the guy who turns him into his own little theater commander (HYDRA front.)

Alan Silvestri is never incompetent but he's not terribly distinguished in my view. This is actually one of the best scores because of Star Spangled Man. The musical montage is wonderful and it's the best big dance number I've seen in a movie since Enchanted. Which is high praise.

Hugo Weaving does his best with Red Skull, who at least has panache. How being a Nazi isn't evil enough and it has to be Fuehrer of the Clay Pigeons is a mystery to me.

But like most everyone else, I say it's Chris Evans performance that make the movie, just like Robert Downey's made Iron Man. It' superb.

A-, for the flat epilogue.
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