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View Poll Results: How do you rate Captain America: The First Avenger?
A+ 34 19.21%
A 51 28.81%
A- 34 19.21%
B+ 27 15.25%
B 15 8.47%
B- 5 2.82%
C+ 5 2.82%
C 4 2.26%
C- 1 0.56%
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Old August 6 2011, 09:12 PM   #406
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Temis the Vorta wrote:
And that's why they can't do another WWII era movie. As it was, the movie had to contain a fair bit of padding that was irrelevant to Cap's arc. Another WWII movie would be 100% padding. But transport him to the 21st C, where he is once again the underdog, because initially he won't understand this new world and how he fits in, and the arc continues from where it left off.
They can do whatever they want to and I wouldn't mind seeing an Invaders movie. An Invaders movie would need to include Namor so are you sure you want to see any more WWII adventures?
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Old August 6 2011, 09:14 PM   #407
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WWII adventures aren't my first priority but I have no objection to movies made in addition to with the 21st C Avengers plotline. If any given movie doesn't sound interesting, I'll just do like I did with Thor and ignore it.
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Old August 7 2011, 09:44 PM   #408
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Cap is doing just fine overseas.

Not surprising. I never thought the subject matter would make any difference. The foreign market gobbles up all sorts of Hollywood movies, and I've never noticed that topic or even quality makes a bit of difference.

But now that I've seen the movie, I know its biggest achilles heel overseas - the first half is a character-based story, heavy on backstory and historical context, light on action. And while the action was serviceable, it wasn't the best I've ever seen. That's what's going to temper its overseas BO. It won't be catastrophic by any means, but there will be some impact. Also, the lack of a big Hollywood star (a Cruise, not an Evans) impacts movies more in foreign BO than domestic.

(Please note that I'm not saying this should have been an action-fest starring Tom Cruise! Just that these are the elements that tamp down foreign BO. I'm sure the producers realized this would happen and went ahead anyway, and bless them for it. Somebody's got to take this approach or every Hollywood movie would be a Michael Bay movie.)

Those who feared the strength of "Captain America" would not extend beyond the domestic box office were wrong. The film starring the Marvel Comics superhero is faring well overseas, this weekend crossing the $100-million mark abroad. The film, which is playing in 41 foreign markets, added $27.5 to its international tally, which now stands at $103 million.
Boxofficemojo reports 58/42 domestic/foreign so far. Cap seems like the kind of movie that settles in with about 55/45 or 50/50 when everything is totaled up, slotting in between all-action/no-story Transformers (33/67) and story- and character-heavy Star Trek XI (67/33) - love that mirror image effect.
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Old August 8 2011, 12:44 AM   #409
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I really can't wait till this 3D fad deservedly dies.
Be snide all you want. But 3D has caused me to stay away from at least two or three films in cinema.
Irrelevant to whether it's a "fad" that's going to go away. No on both counts.

I just saw Captain America again...though this time I knew to get up and leave after the end of the 1940s.

Seriously, after the last week of news here in the States and especially Friday, this was just what I needed.

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Old August 8 2011, 12:47 AM   #410
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Was Robert Downey Jr busy? The ending would have been better if Tony Stark met him considering the family connection.
Not if the ending takes place before Stark becomes a 'consultant' for SHIELD. The timeline for these movies isn't strictly A to B.
Exactly at the end of the movie Fury tells Steve Rogers that it's 2008 so I don't think Tony Stark is on their payroll yet.
Oh I wonder if there a reason for this. Maybe so hes not so disorientated in this time. When the movie comes along.
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Old August 8 2011, 01:56 AM   #411
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Was Robert Downey Jr busy? The ending would have been better if Tony Stark met him considering the family connection.
Not if the ending takes place before Stark becomes a 'consultant' for SHIELD. The timeline for these movies isn't strictly A to B.
Exactly at the end of the movie Fury tells Steve Rogers that it's 2008 so I don't think Tony Stark is on their payroll yet.
No, he doesn't. He says Steve's been asleep for 70 years, but he doesn't mention any dates.
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Old August 8 2011, 02:22 AM   #412
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I can see them introducing Namor as the anti-hero he's always been. He is currently an X-Men right now
Namor is an X-Man? That's just...wrong. Is he really the team-player type?
Of ocurse he is. He's been in the Invaders, the All-Winners Squad, the Defenders, The Avengers and as mentioned the X-Men.
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Old August 8 2011, 02:44 AM   #413
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^And he is a mutant. Often inaccurately described as "the first mutant". The ankle-wings are a mutation possessed by neither of his parents' species. Though, in truth, Namor's participation with the X-Men is based largely on the mutual protection benefits shared between Utopia and New Atlantis and his lust for Emma Frost more than anything else.
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Old August 8 2011, 02:54 AM   #414
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^ Indeed. Namor is possibly the only mutant character owned by Marvel Studios.
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Old August 8 2011, 03:45 AM   #415
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Just saw it today. I agree with what most here have said, great movie. I gave it a solid B+.

Loved seeing Dum-Dum and the others. I completely forgot they were going to be there.

While I knew Howard Stark was going to be in the movie, I had no idea he was going to be so integral to, well, everything.

And I honestly had no idea they were going to stick an actual teaser trailer for The Avengers at the end. A very pleasant surprise indeed!

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I liked the little touches from the comics they included. The Original Human Torch under glass at the expo
Ah, that's what it was supposed to be. As soon as I saw it I knew it had to be a reference to something, I just couldn't figure out what.

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First, the skinny effects on Chris Evens were extremely impressive.
Indeed. Speaking of, I think it we should recognize the efforts of actor Leander Deeny, who, despite the fact that you probably never heard of him, was as integral to bringing Skinny Steve to life as Chris Evans was.

He’s listed simply as "bartender/Steve Rogers body double" in the credits, and so far his contribution to the Marvel release has flown largely under the radar.


His comic-book film debut wouldn't have been possible were it not for some cutting-edge digital effects. To achieve the virtual trickery, Paramount enlisted Lola Visual Effects. The Santa Monica, Calif.-based company had performed similar magic doubling Armie Hammer so he could play the Winklevoss twins in “The Social Network.”


“Leander is the unsung hero of this,” Edson Williams, visual effects supervisor for Lola, told TheWrap. “He was very dedicated and he was very aware of mimicking Chris’ timing. He wasn’t trying to get his performance out there. It’s his biggest credit and it’s a role where you never see his face.”


Lola employed three main techniques to make the all-American Evans appear weak and spindly, a combination of digitally shrinking or scaling down Evans, body doubles (that’s where Deeny came in), and grafting a digital file of Evans’ facial performance onto Deeny’s frame.
To attach Evans' head to Deeny’s body, the filmmakers would first shoot Evans in a scene. Then they would have Deeny watch what Evans had done on video playback, so he could mimic his movements precisely. Lastly they would film a clean plate, this is a pass devoid of principal actors that allows the background to be replaced behind the shrunken Evans.


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The body, on the other hand, you’d never know it, but at least 10 percent of the time, it belonged to Deeny.
Uncovered: 'Captain America's' Skinny Steve Rogers -- Leander Deeny


Hats off to Leander Deeny, the other Steve Rogers:

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Old August 8 2011, 07:29 AM   #416
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they could do an Invaders story without Namor.

Union Jack, Spitfire, Major Mapleleaf, Blonde Phantom, Miss America, Whizzer and Blazing Skull could be the line up.
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Old August 8 2011, 12:27 PM   #417
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Cap's team in this movie is called the Invaders. The comics Invaders don't fit very well into this setup; it's not a problem in a sprawling comics universe, but in he comparatively contained cinematic one I don't think it's a good idea to introduce a bunch of other superheroes into World War II while making such a big deal about Captain America.
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Old August 8 2011, 01:19 PM   #418
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That's funny, I read somewhere they did NOT use body doubles and stick his head on someone else's body because it was going to look fake, instead they just digitally shrunk his body and shot an empty plate with no actor for the background.
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Old August 8 2011, 02:50 PM   #419
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^^^^^
You didn't imagine it.
They digitally "shrunk" Chris Evans body.
We used two major techniques. Most of the shots were done by an L.A. company called LOLA that specializes in digital "plastic surgery." The technique involved shrinking Chris in all dimensions. We shot each skinny Steve scene at least four times; once like a normal scene with Chris and his fellow actors in the scene, once with Chris alone in front of a green screen so his element could be reduced digitally, again with everyone in the scene but with Chris absent so that the shrunken Steve could be re-inserted into the scene, and finally with a body double mimicking Chris's actions in case the second technique were required. ......

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They did indeed TRY this route first but it just wasn't working. It was so well publicized that it's no surprise people just didn't hear how they ended up going the above route. At best this actor was used as a fallback a "just in case" as the article says.
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Old August 8 2011, 05:08 PM   #420
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Cap's team in this movie is called the Invaders. The comics Invaders don't fit very well into this setup; it's not a problem in a sprawling comics universe, but in he comparatively contained cinematic one I don't think it's a good idea to introduce a bunch of other superheroes into World War II while making such a big deal about Captain America.
the team in the movie is the Howling Commandos. they're just never actually called the Howling Commandos.
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