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Old September 27 2011, 04:17 PM   #1
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Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

Wrote this essay on my Facebook, about works that disappoint from creators I adore...

Got lots of downtime as I prepare to leave Ft Benning. It has given me a chance to catch up on some DVD viewing, DVDs I actually procured in Afghanistan, mostly, but didn't have time to watch. Many, excellent, some good, a few...uhh.
Just now, I made an attempt to watch J. Michael Straczinki's "Jeremiah". Based on a comic book, it describes the aftermath of "The Big Death", a plagued that wiped out the adult population and left the children to grow up in the world left over, without adult guidance. Now, I love the post-apocalypse genre, and will give most stories based on such a premise an even chance. But six eps into "Jeremiah" and it wasn't clicking for me. And at the end of the sixth episode, I figured out why. First, not necessarily JMS's fault, as he is a proven world builder (Babylon 5, Rising Stars, et al) and "Jeremiah" is not his original creation. But...this post-apocalypse world isn't engaging. Two things you need for a good P-A world. One, a true sense of a brand new world and new circumstances. Set up some new politics, new world views and some mysteries. There were sort of flailing attempts at it, as factions are mentioned and things like the Burning Men thrown in, but no reason for them to be intriguing or compelling. They were just...there. Adding to the "just there" feeling were unfortunately the lead, Luke Perry as the aforementioned Jeremiah. They played him too heroic and obviously in your face as just an "everyman who cares", and not deep enough for the warrior-philosopher. And I really don't think he was right for the role. And the heavies? Way too obvious and ham-fisted/moustache twirling, no depth at all. Supporting characters? The girl who wanted to sail her sailboat over the horizons, cool story, but they didn't give enough and her performance wasn't compelling enough to make me care.
All my favorite creators have come up short every now and then. Kevin Smith had Clerks Animated (the characters lost their "grounding" which make them normally compelling), Aaron Sorkin had Studio 60 (treating a sketch comedy show like it has some kind of deep, critical national import, just like what goes on in the White House, an actress who was unconvincing as the most talented sketch comic of the cast), and Joss Whedon had Dollhouse (Eliza Dushku, great as Faith, but not nearly the acting chops to carry a role as complicated as what they were trying to do on that show).
It happens. They can't all be hits.
Yeah, felt that Jeremiah didn't have what it took, though it was a noble effort...
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Old September 27 2011, 08:57 PM   #2
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

Did you watch the entire run? They did build up the politics towards the end and added more mystery plots.
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Old September 27 2011, 09:06 PM   #3
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

I thoroughly enjoyed Jeremiah. I thought that overall, it was well done, with interesting characters. The stories were interesting and became even more interesting as the series moved along.
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Old September 27 2011, 09:17 PM   #4
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

My issues with the first season of Jeremiah mostly are due to the Sam Egan written episodes. They were simply so obvious that it was hard to get through them (especially "The Bag"). I did love Kurdy, though he was underused in the first season.

If nothing else, though, there's a scene in "A Means to an End" in the first season that was totally unexpected and fall-down funny.


The second season, though...written entirely by JMS and Samm Barnes...now *that* was television! Kurdy came into his own, the addition of Sean Astin and perhaps one of the creepiest resolutions to a problem ever written are in the first two episodes.

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Old September 27 2011, 09:22 PM   #5
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

Did the show have a proper ending, or was there a cliffhanger? I had heard that Straczynski walked away from it and that the show was left unfinished...
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Old September 27 2011, 09:28 PM   #6
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Yes...and no. Yes, JMS did say that he wouldn't be returning if there were a third season. But knowing that, he managed to leave threads that a new showrunner could have picked up if they'd wanted to but which weren't anything big as yet that would leave an unsatisfied feeling. With Jeremiah there was a definite thread per season and the second season thread did come to a conclusion. The odd thing is that, depending on how it might have been picked up it *could* have been seen as a cliffhanger but everybody I've discussed it with found it to be satisfactory as an ending, too.

ETA: One reason why some people might have thought it unfinished was due to Showtime not airing the second half of season 2 for (iirc) eight months or so.

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Old September 27 2011, 11:25 PM   #7
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

I gave up six episodes in. Unlike Babylon 5, though decried as "bad" by some fans, it had me gripped from the get go.

I just couldn't get gripped here. And I tried, brother. I tried.
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Old September 28 2011, 07:25 AM   #8
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Re: Just watched JMS Jeremiah for the first time...

Jan wrote: View Post
My issues with the first season of Jeremiah mostly are due to the Sam Egan written episodes. They were simply so obvious that it was hard to get through them (especially "The Bag").

The second season, though...written entirely by JMS and Samm Barnes...now *that* was television!
the second season was pretty good. not great - but certainly better than most of the dren out there. once jeremiah stopped forcing in "skinemax" scenes, it improved quite a bit.
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