What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw?

JonnyQuest037 · June 20 2011, 05:07 AM

On TOS we saw the bridge, engineering, sickbay, the shuttle bay, the transporter room, the auxilary control room, as well as various crew quarters, briefing rooms and lounge areas. But when you consider the sheer size of the Enterprise, we really didn't see all that many areas of the ship. Were there any areas that the creators didn't show us that you wish they did?

For me, I think it would have been cool to see some of the science labs aboard the ship. Spock presumably had many science areas under his direct supervision, but from what TOS showed us, nearly all of his experiements and deductions took place in his bridge viewfinder. I think seeing some more of the security facilities besides the brig could have been interesting.

sbk1234 · June 20 2011, 05:35 AM

I could be a smart ass, and say the women's shower/locker room. But how about that bowling alley we've heard about? Or even a really proper botanical garden. I'd also liked to have seen the part of the hanger deck where they store all the other shuttle decks.

Captain Robert April · June 20 2011, 05:57 AM

More of the engineering setup. It'd be a real help in laying out the secondary hull.

Timo · June 20 2011, 10:54 AM

The torpedo facilities, so that we could put to rest the concept of the torps being energy balls and see with our own eyes that a 1960s scifi show would insist on portraying them as instantly recognizable cigar shapes...

Also, one or more of those facilities that were too big to be done in set form. Either in TOS-R style, with latter-day CGI making the impossible possible, or in matte form. Such as the true vastness of the "maze" they called Main Engineering. Or the hangar spaces of the shuttlecraft handling complex. Or one of the workshops or fabrication facilities that gave our heroes their instant Nazi uniforms or flintlocks.

Timo Saloniemi

Scrambo · June 20 2011, 11:10 AM

I agree with the science labs.. maybe the medical labs, wasnt the enterprise meant to have a swimming pool as well? Possibly more crew quarters, more of engineering in detail too.

Botany Bay · June 20 2011, 11:17 AM

I wish we'd seen every inch of it!

A few off the top of my head I'd love to have seen :

Bar
Bowling Alley
Kirk's Office
Ion Pod
Observation deck(s)
Torpedo room

Blip · June 20 2011, 12:29 PM

Any room in the interhull connect... Don't think I've ever seen one in there. Or the gubbins around the navigational sensor dome. Or (as mentioned above) the Torpedo Bays.

And how about a TOS depiction of the turbolift shafts?

Timo · June 20 2011, 12:58 PM

Any room in the interhull connect... Don't think I've ever seen one in there.

Well, some early action took place on Deck 12, which cannot be located anywhere else no matter which of the slightly varying size estimates and internal layout ideas we choose to believe in... For example Kirk's cabin was in the interhull in "Mudd's Women" by that token.

Timo Saloniemi

blssdwlf · June 20 2011, 02:02 PM

Timo wrote:

Any room in the interhull connect... Don't think I've ever seen one in there.

Well, some early action took place on Deck 12, which cannot be located anywhere else no matter which of the slightly varying size estimates and internal layout ideas we choose to believe in... For example Kirk's cabin was in the interhull in "Mudd's Women" by that token.

Or Deck 12 could be in the Secondary hull if the deck heights are made to be of varying heights. Some sizing of the Enterprise places 8 decks in the primary hull and it could be argued that the interconnect has only one or two "decks" making deck 10 start at the top of the secondary hull.

Parts I'd like to have seen would've been:

the rest of Engineering
the cargo bay
enlisted quarters
recreation room 3, all levels of it
the bowling alley
ion pod
torpedo room

Green Shirt · June 20 2011, 02:50 PM

Scrambo wrote:

I agree with the science labs..

Since Kirk said there were 14 of them, one would have been bumping into one every few feet or so.

Gary7 · June 20 2011, 04:56 PM

Good topic.

So many aspects to the ship were either never touched on or too briefly.

It would've been interesting to see the the turbo lift system in more detail. We do see indicators of the cars going up or down and then sideways, based on the light bar display. It's funny how in TNG, they did away with that (no sense given of which direction the elevator is moving). Anyway, a glimpse of the turbolift shaft would be cool. Also, some kind of position indicator at the entry door, so someone can see just how far away the next turbo lift is.

It would've been great if there was a 10-forward shown, even if briefly, to help lend continuity into TNG.

Much more detail of the shuttle bay, so we can see where shuttles are stored and how they're moved about. Perhaps a view from one of the upper levels looking down.

A much bigger aboretum/botanical garden.

More on recreation. The gymnasium shown in more episodes (Charlie-X was the only one). A swimming pool in action, too.

use of a crew quarters shower and or bathroom.

The galley crew (chef, assistants, etc) and some detail about the management of the food replication system.

Green Shirt · June 20 2011, 05:18 PM

Since Kirk's closet had uniforms hanging in them (from the deleted scene from "Corbomite") they probably weren't replicated as needed, so there must have been some type of a laundry/repair facility.

RAMA · June 20 2011, 05:50 PM

Cetacean Ops! :-)

Greg Cox · June 20 2011, 05:56 PM

Did they ever actually mention a swimming pool? I wrote one into my (shelved) nuTrek novel, but never heard back on whether that was approved.

Timo · June 20 2011, 06:04 PM

The episodes don't feature references, no. The first source to mention a pool would appear to be Shane Johnson's Mr Scott's Guide... Although if they always had that TAS holodeck, a pool would then appear a bit redundant.

The bowling alley could be a figment of Riley's imagination, and another thing better replaced by the holodeck; it could become the pool on alternate evenings, then.

I would have liked to see more of that early holodeck. And of the recreation facilities in general. The editing of "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" makes it appear as if one of the Rec Rooms is three decks high, which is a perfectly fine concept that jibes with what we see in ST:TMP. Just place said Rec Room directly below the bridge, at the center of the saucer - both in TOS and in ST:TMP - so that it actually fits inside the hull and serves as a sensible route for a chase that takes place after the hunter (as per his demonstrated abilities) remotely disables the prey's turbolift just below Deck 1.

Timo Saloniemi

June 20 2011, 05:07 AM	#1
JonnyQuest037 Commodore Location: Parsippany, New Jersey, USA	What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? On TOS we saw the bridge, engineering, sickbay, the shuttle bay, the transporter room, the auxilary control room, as well as various crew quarters, briefing rooms and lounge areas. But when you consider the sheer size of the Enterprise, we really didn't see all that many areas of the ship. Were there any areas that the creators didn't show us that you wish they did? For me, I think it would have been cool to see some of the science labs aboard the ship. Spock presumably had many science areas under his direct supervision, but from what TOS showed us, nearly all of his experiements and deductions took place in his bridge viewfinder. I think seeing some more of the security facilities besides the brig could have been interesting. __________________ "All right, you ignorant savages, get a load of Aquezio, you heathen monkeys!" - Race Bannon, Pursuit of the Po-Ho

June 20 2011, 05:35 AM	#2
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? I could be a smart ass, and say the women's shower/locker room. But how about that bowling alley we've heard about? Or even a really proper botanical garden. I'd also liked to have seen the part of the hanger deck where they store all the other shuttle decks. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

June 20 2011, 05:57 AM	#3
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? More of the engineering setup. It'd be a real help in laying out the secondary hull.

June 20 2011, 10:54 AM	#4
Timo Admiral	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? The torpedo facilities, so that we could put to rest the concept of the torps being energy balls and see with our own eyes that a 1960s scifi show would insist on portraying them as instantly recognizable cigar shapes... Also, one or more of those facilities that were too big to be done in set form. Either in TOS-R style, with latter-day CGI making the impossible possible, or in matte form. Such as the true vastness of the "maze" they called Main Engineering. Or the hangar spaces of the shuttlecraft handling complex. Or one of the workshops or fabrication facilities that gave our heroes their instant Nazi uniforms or flintlocks. Timo Saloniemi

June 20 2011, 11:10 AM	#5
Scrambo Lieutenant Commander Location: In the Biochemistry Lab	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? I agree with the science labs.. maybe the medical labs, wasnt the enterprise meant to have a swimming pool as well? Possibly more crew quarters, more of engineering in detail too.

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June 20 2011, 11:17 AM	#6
Botany Bay Commodore Location: shores of Australia	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? I wish we'd seen every inch of it! A few off the top of my head I'd love to have seen : Bar Bowling Alley Kirk's Office Ion Pod Observation deck(s) Torpedo room

June 20 2011, 12:29 PM	#7
Blip Fleet Captain Location: Deck 13, section 21-Alpha	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? Any room in the interhull connect... Don't think I've ever seen one in there. Or the gubbins around the navigational sensor dome. Or (as mentioned above) the Torpedo Bays. And how about a TOS depiction of the turbolift shafts? __________________ It's not "I could care less", it's "I couldn't care less." If you have failed to grasp this concept you should probably vacate the internet.

June 20 2011, 04:56 PM	#11
Gary7 Rear Admiral Location: Near Manhattan ··· in an alternate reality	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? Good topic. So many aspects to the ship were either never touched on or too briefly. It would've been interesting to see the the turbo lift system in more detail. We do see indicators of the cars going up or down and then sideways, based on the light bar display. It's funny how in TNG, they did away with that (no sense given of which direction the elevator is moving). Anyway, a glimpse of the turbolift shaft would be cool. Also, some kind of position indicator at the entry door, so someone can see just how far away the next turbo lift is. It would've been great if there was a 10-forward shown, even if briefly, to help lend continuity into TNG. Much more detail of the shuttle bay, so we can see where shuttles are stored and how they're moved about. Perhaps a view from one of the upper levels looking down. A much bigger aboretum/botanical garden. More on recreation. The gymnasium shown in more episodes (Charlie-X was the only one). A swimming pool in action, too. use of a crew quarters shower and or bathroom. The galley crew (chef, assistants, etc) and some detail about the management of the food replication system. __________________ Remembering Ensign Mallory.

June 20 2011, 05:18 PM	#12
Green Shirt Fleet Captain Location: 21206	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? Since Kirk's closet had uniforms hanging in them (from the deleted scene from "Corbomite") they probably weren't replicated as needed, so there must have been some type of a laundry/repair facility. __________________ Yellow this, yellow that, yellow everywhere. Its not easy being green.

June 20 2011, 05:50 PM	#13
RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? Cetacean Ops! :-) __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey

June 20 2011, 05:56 PM	#14
Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? Did they ever actually mention a swimming pool? I wrote one into my (shelved) nuTrek novel, but never heard back on whether that was approved. __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

June 20 2011, 06:04 PM	#15
Timo Admiral	Re: What unseen parts of the ship do you wish we saw? The episodes don't feature references, no. The first source to mention a pool would appear to be Shane Johnson's Mr Scott's Guide... Although if they always had that TAS holodeck, a pool would then appear a bit redundant. The bowling alley could be a figment of Riley's imagination, and another thing better replaced by the holodeck; it could become the pool on alternate evenings, then. I would have liked to see more of that early holodeck. And of the recreation facilities in general. The editing of "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" makes it appear as if one of the Rec Rooms is three decks high, which is a perfectly fine concept that jibes with what we see in ST:TMP. Just place said Rec Room directly below the bridge, at the center of the saucer - both in TOS and in ST:TMP - so that it actually fits inside the hull and serves as a sensible route for a chase that takes place after the hunter (as per his demonstrated abilities) remotely disables the prey's turbolift just below Deck 1. Timo Saloniemi