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Old July 10 2011, 10:11 PM   #1
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Gay characters on SUPERNATURAL? And some thoughts on the show post-S3

Hi all, I have started to get back into this show after giving up on it in Season 4--I found the mythology as it developed too cumbersome. Personally, while I really like consistency and character building, I also really like stand-alone episodes. For example, I also much prefer the first few seasons of Smallville to the later years.

Anyway, I am enjoying watching S3 properly, which Ive always heard mixed reports on, due to the writers' strike at the time. But I find the ongoing tension about Dean's inevitable death and descent into Hell a compelling hook for the whole season, and overall the stories are pretty good, though "Jus in Bello," despite its appealing homage to Carpenter's Assault on Precinct 13, was quite flat.

Anyway, "Ghostfacers" was appealing to me for having a gay character who was also heroized in the narrative as a daring and winning member of the admittedly crackpot team. (Do we see them again?)

I am wondering--are there other gay characters who come up before or after on the show?
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Old July 11 2011, 11:08 AM   #2
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The one you mention is the only one I can think of by heart. And it was heavily discussed at the time that the sole gay character on the show just happened to die a horrible gruesome death.

As much as I love the show and the boys, I have to admit that LGBT representation on the show has been less than ideal. Unless you count the repeated jokes that people think Sam and Dean are a couple when they check into motels together, or the Sam/Dean slash fiction that is actually acknowledged in-show in season 4.

As for the Ghostfacers themselves, they first appeared in season 1, episode 17, "Hell House." Then in season 3 "Ghostfacers," then they show up again briefly in season 4's "It's a Terrible Life" and again in season 5's "Hammer of the Gods."

More importantly, the "pilot" for the Ghostfacers "show" was "picked up" and is now a spin-off webseries, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1647865/.

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Old July 11 2011, 11:21 AM   #3
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Wasn't there a show with a "Supernatural" convention, where two guys roleplaying Sam and Dean turned out to be a couple? And I think all the male couples there were gay? I can't remember the episode however.
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Old July 11 2011, 02:14 PM   #4
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Ah, right right right. Yes, forgot about that one. Season 5's "The Real Ghostbusters."

But it was only the main featured couple that was gay, I think, not all of them.

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Old July 11 2011, 04:39 PM   #5
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Does Crowley count? He may not be completely homosexual, but he did start off as a Crossroad demon whom had to seal deals with kisses. I'm sure somewhere down the line, lines got blurred and sexual proclivities were thrown out the window.
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Old July 12 2011, 01:39 AM   #6
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Crowley makes fun of homophobes. That banker dude he kissed to seal the deal under the overpass, Crowley mocked him for his homophobia. I think Crowley is pretty much bisexual--he enjoys everybody. He enjoys stirring the pot.

I was going to point out the gay couple that saved the day in season five's "The Real Ghostbusters" as well. Ahhhh, this great thread and I'm so busy with overtime these two weeks I can barely go online, drat the luck. Carry on.

I agree that season three was very compelling with the sense of impending doom for Dean. That season's finale was like a punch to the gut.
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Old July 12 2011, 03:55 AM   #7
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Sure supernatural has a running joke where people think Sam and Dean are a couple but it's not done in a mean or homophobic way.
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Old July 12 2011, 04:23 AM   #8
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Gay characters on sci fi shows is very common now, look at the very bisexual show called torchwood. Soon openly gay characters will be leads in american shows to.
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Old July 12 2011, 05:04 AM   #9
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I was thinking of Crowley myself. Wasn't there an episode where someone hinted that Dean and Sam had a "homoerotic" relationship? That would be twisted, considering they're brothers.
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Old July 12 2011, 05:31 AM   #10
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I was thinking of Crowley myself. Wasn't there an episode where someone hinted that Dean and Sam had a "homoerotic" relationship? That would be twisted, considering they're brothers.
He suggested that Sam and Dean's co-dependence verged on the erotic. A jab at both online wincest shippers and blind item gossip in the gossip columns.
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Old July 12 2011, 06:53 AM   #11
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Re: Gay characters on SUPERNATURAL? And some thoughts on the show post

Thanks for these wonderful posts, everyone.

Just finished the season finale of S3-agreed, and well put--it is a real punch to the gut. They really went the whole nine yards in depicting the savagery of Dean's death, and Sam's traumatic witnessing of it.
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Old July 12 2011, 11:38 PM   #12
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Season three is great. Bobby truly became family in season three. "Mystery Spot" is also in my top five list of episodes.
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Old July 13 2011, 02:31 AM   #13
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You and Mystery Spot. Get over it. I kid.

I really liked the episode, but I found the last twenty minutes of the episode so much better then the first half. But I do understand why Dean's death's aren't treated as seriously as his later Death (or Sam's first death), but it still weakens the episode.

While SPN doesn't feature a lot of gay characters (there have been just a few), I find it fairly true to life in the various portrayals.

They have presented a more stereotypical gay character (See Ghostfacers), they have presented a gay couple that doesn't fit the stereotype (see The Real Ghostbusters), and they on a few occasions have shown that Sam & Dean are seen by the public as Gay. And thats a fairly positive thing in my book. They have also briefly shown a leather fetish character and while that is also a stereotype it isn't a overly effimiante.

And of course they have Dean's humor at Sam's expense which fairly accurately represents how society still makes fun of guys by either calling their behavior gay or that of a women. And while that can be meant in a very negative manner its almost always applied to Sam. And Damn Sam can be gay anytime he wants to in my book. I mean generally caring about others, being smart, not quick on the initial kill are hardly offensive things.

Though both are clearly uncomfortable in a public setting seeing two guys kissing (see Twihard's bar scene). That too is often how a large part of the male public does react, and seems to be perfectly in character.
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Old July 13 2011, 03:01 AM   #14
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Though both are clearly uncomfortable in a public setting seeing two guys kissing (see Twihard's bar scene). That too is often how a large part of the male public does react, and seems to be perfectly in character.

Not just men react uncomfortably, don't know why but seeing two men kiss weirds me out, lesbians are cool but two guys press my buttons in a bad way.
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