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Old September 4 2011, 05:10 PM   #1
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MU novels & Dark Passions

I'm starting the Dark Passions duology, and before I get too far into it, I was curious if the events of these two books are entirely at odds with the events of the recent Mirror Universe novels?
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Old September 4 2011, 05:30 PM   #2
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Pretty much, yes. The two versions of the MU are very different and make a lot of incompatible assumptions. I find that in some ways it feels like an alternate timeline "in between" the Prime timeline and the MU of the current book continuity, since its events and character arcs have more similarities to the Prime timeline than the current MU continuity does.
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Old September 4 2011, 06:57 PM   #3
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Re: MU novels & Dark Passions

I'm not sure if they deal with overlapping events/characters but are the standalone MU stories like "Dark Mirror" compatible with either mirror timeline?
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Old September 4 2011, 07:25 PM   #4
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Dark Mirror is not compatible with any MU timeline since DS9's Crossover, as it has the Empire extant.
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Old September 4 2011, 10:13 PM   #5
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^ I'm not sure that's necessarily inconsistent with what we saw onscreen. I don't think we ever saw independent confirmation of the Empire's general defeat, only reports of its defeat deep within Alliance-controlled territory, largely from Alliance sources or from former and current Alliance slaves.
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Old September 4 2011, 10:32 PM   #6
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Worf appears in Dark Mirror as a slave to the Terran Empire. That alone is inconsistent.
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Old September 4 2011, 10:35 PM   #7
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I found "Dark passions"very compatible with my rubbish bin!
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Old September 4 2011, 10:37 PM   #8
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Dark Mirror and "Crossover" offer different versions of what happened to Spock after "Mirror, Mirror." They're quite similar until Spock reaches a rank high enough to instigate real reforms, but in Dark Mirror he's assassinated at that point and his reforms die aborning, while in "Crossover" he lives on, ends up running the whole Empire, and institutes the reforms which leave it vulnerable to conquest.
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Old September 4 2011, 11:14 PM   #9
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^ IIRC, he also led the empire to ruin in Shatner's Mirror Universe trilogy. (Was Tiberius the leader of the Alliance in those novels?)
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Old September 5 2011, 12:32 AM   #10
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But it's safe to assume all of the recent MU stories are consistent with each other (as much as they would be), correct?
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I found "Dark passions"very compatible with my rubbish bin!
All I remember is Kira parading Seven around on a leash. Naked.
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But it's safe to assume all of the recent MU stories are consistent with each other (as much as they would be), correct?
Yes, everything MU-related that Pocket/Gallery has published from 2006 onward is meant to represent a single continuity.

But pretty much all the pre-2006 novels and all the comics stories are incompatible with one another, with a few exceptions. IDW's Mirror Images tells the story of Kirk taking command of the Enterprise (with, oddly, a brief interlude about Mirror Picard on the Stargazer decades later), so it could be compatible with almost anything other than the Pocket MU continuity: DC's Mirror Universe Saga (set post-ST III), Dark Passions, the "Enemies and Allies" story in Malibu's DS9 comic, or the Shatnerverse trilogy. (I.e. it could be compatible with any given one of those even though most of them contradict each other.) The TOS part of Mirror Images is even compatible with Dark Mirror, though I'm not sure the Stargazer portion is. The one thing MI couldn't reconcile with is Marvel Comics' "Fragile Glass" one-shot, which is a direct sequel to "Mirror, Mirror." The problem is that Mirror Images shows Scotty installing the Tantalus Field generator before Kirk takes command, while "Fragile Glass" shows Scotty only just learning of the device's existence after "Mirror, Mirror."

Aside from that, "Fragile Glass" could potentially be compatible with Dark Passions or "Enemies and Allies," but not with anything where
DC's MU Saga could also be compatible with either of those two, and only those two, for similar reasons.

I'm not sure if "Enemies and Allies" contradicts anything other than Dark Mirror. It's a brief story about Mirror Tuvok and Bashir on a mission for the Resistance, so it doesn't really clash much with anything. However, KRAD's MU chronology in Star Trek Magazine #15 says it's inconsistent with later canonical episodes. But in skimming over it just now, I can't see any blatant contradictions with anything, including the Pocket MU continuity. Its version of Mirror Bashir doesn't seem quite as nasty and sociopathic as the canonical version, but that's about it.
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