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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 17 2011, 05:08 PM   #1
Jose Tyler
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Did you like Spock better before he died?

I have been rewatching ST I - VI and find I like the Spock in I and II to be more interesting, while in V & VI he was more played for laughs. Anybody else feel that way?
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Old June 18 2011, 04:57 PM   #2
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

Well, when he was first ressurected he was kind of more detached than usual, similar to the way he was in the first half or so of TMP. He is sort of played for laughs in IV and V, though. In VI I feel he's pretty much back to his TWOK self, where he seems more serene and comfortable with his self (The films of course have the same director, and a good chunk of both has Spock in command of Enterprise as opposed to Kirk).


I feel he was kind of more laid back in the JJ film, and playing himself more than Spock. There's a similar problem I feel with Shatner in V and Generations.
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Old June 18 2011, 05:01 PM   #3
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I preferred him before he died. Afterwards he kinda became not spock...maybe thats what dying does to you.
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Old June 18 2011, 05:07 PM   #4
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

It has been noted by some that Spock does seem somewhat more emotional after his mind meld with V'ger in almost all the films, before and after death. So the movie Spock doesn't feel exactly like TOS Spock, who was always conflicted about his dual nature. Not saying Nimoy forgot to play Spock or anything, just that he's 'different' in the films.


Christopher actually writes a lot about Spock becoming more acceptable of his human side in his novel Ex Machina.
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Old June 19 2011, 03:55 AM   #5
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

Although I enjoy the way his character evolved in the features films & became more accepting of his human side, yes, I liked him better before he died.
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Old June 20 2011, 01:12 AM   #6
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I did. He wasn't himself again until VI.
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Old June 20 2011, 02:53 AM   #7
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

Spock seemed to evolve over time to become more accepting of his human half. I thought it was good development, and really don't prefer one over the over.
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Old June 20 2011, 03:54 PM   #8
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I don't think there's a "before death/after death" split in the character.

He seems very similar in TWOK(before death) and in TUC(after resurrection).

as others have said, he seems most at peace and comfortable with himself in these two movies, and I think it's nice to see him like that as opposed to the jerk that he was through most of TMP.
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Old June 26 2011, 07:32 AM   #9
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I like him best in the new movie.
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Old June 26 2011, 02:12 PM   #10
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I'm pretty sure I like Spock in any state.
A lot of time had passed between those movies, times changed, movie standards changed. Kind of like comparing the old movies with the new one. It's not that the director or the actors actually suck - it's just what we do these days, I suppose. All good things must come to an end, of course.
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Old June 29 2011, 03:34 AM   #11
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

McCoy did.
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Old June 29 2011, 03:47 PM   #12
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

I did not like him in TMP. He was lifeless and his character was reduced to a walking equipment of the starship. Like everyone else there, except Bones. His pointy ears, handsome face and skinny figure have not saved him there. I agree there is no remarkable difference between TWOK Spock and TUC Spock. And Nimoy's Spock was the best character in 2009 movie, I think.

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Old June 29 2011, 04:23 PM   #13
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

He's portrayed so unevenly throughout the films. In TMP, he's a robot, in TWOK he's classic Spock with a hint of humanity, in TSFS he's dead, in TVH he's comic relief, then in V and VI, he's back to Vulcan with a touch of humanity.

Hard to judge them equally.
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Old June 29 2011, 09:08 PM   #14
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Re: Did you like Spock better before he died?

We have a character that we don't know nothing about, internally, other the fact that he's mom is human, his dad is Vulcan and he some some underlying issues that show a a potential, major, problem with his biracial identity.

Then we fast-forward ten years into the future and we have a character who's pretty much dead set on ignoring his humanity, going forth with his Vulcan heritage by purging emotion, and spends an entire movie realizing his place in the world.

Then, once Spock finally has himself figured out, he dies.

Well, that just sucks. It's like reformatting a computer now and that's what happens in III. We now have a reformatted computer; his characteristics, personality, everything is now gone. And now we have someone who now has to not only find himself but where he lies in the lives of others. Then, after ten years, Spock finally comes into himself again. Not only that, he is comfortable with himself. Something that he never was before.

You can't really, or I personally can't, decided if Spock-post TWOK is better than the Spock Pre-TWOK because the series of movies, excluding V because that was just a Kirk-circlejerk of shit, is a journey through Spock's development. Spock in the 60s show is pretty damn flat but his character is molded and evolved through the movies, through his rebirth.

So yeah, I like Spock before his death and after his death.
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Old June 29 2011, 09:17 PM   #15
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excluding V because that was just a Kirk-circlejerk of shit
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