The best episode of TNG - Final Part

BlueStuff · July 8 2011, 05:50 PM

Something a little different for the final round. To proceed as normal, it would be over very quickly indeed, so here we have the winners and runner ups of each season:

Season One: The Arsenal of Freedom
Wild Card: 11001001
Season Two: The Measure of a Man
Wild Card: A Matter of Honor
Season Three: The Best of Both Worlds (I)
Wild Card: Yesterday's Enterprise
Season Four: The Wounded
Wild Card: Redemption (I)
Season Five: Ensign Ro
Wild Card: The Inner Light
Season Six: Ship in a Bottle
Wild Card: Timescape
Season Seven: Lower Decks
Wild Card: Parallels

*RULES*

Give what you consider to be the worst/your least favorite episode ONE point, and briefly explain WHY. Be sure to copy and paste the list with your point added. When an episode reaches 3 points, it is eliminated. Then a NEW round begins (in this thread) with the numbers restored to 0. Vote ONCE per round.

The Arsenal of Freedom - 0
11001001 - 0
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

KNH · July 8 2011, 06:09 PM

My vote here goes to 11001001. The A-plot about the Bynars was entertaining and decent, but the B-plot with Riker's holo-ho always felt tacked on and detrimonial to the episode to me.

The Arsenal of Freedom - 0
11001001 - 1
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

Canadave · July 8 2011, 06:24 PM

My vote goes to "The Arsenal of Freedom." Just never did much for me.

The Arsenal of Freedom - 1
11001001 - 1
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

HaventGotALife · July 8 2011, 07:57 PM

The Arsenal of Freedom - 1
11001001 - 1
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 1

Just because a character changes uniforms doesn't mean that the episode puts forth an interesting idea. Added to that, Worf and Troi? Ick.

TroiFan4ever · July 8 2011, 08:07 PM

Season One: The Arsenal of Freedom
Wild Card: 11001001
Season Two: The Measure of a Man
Wild Card: A Matter of Honor
Season Three: The Best of Both Worlds, Part 1
Wild Card: Yesterday's Enterprise
Season Four: The Wounded
Wild Card: Redemption, Part 1
Season Five: Ensign Ro
Wild Card: The Inner Light
Season Six: Ship in a Bottle +1
Wild Card: Timescape
Season Seven: Lower Decks
Wild Card: Parallels

I'm giving "Ship in a Bottle" a point. It was an alright episode and it had potential, but it needed better writers.

Pseudo · July 8 2011, 08:37 PM

The Arsenal of Freedom - 2
11001001 - 1
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 1

I've added one to Arsenal of Freedom and reinstated the scores that the previous poster seems to have wiped.

Season One contains no great episodes and few good ones. Arsenal of Freedom fits in to another category entirely.

Harvey · July 8 2011, 09:10 PM

I'm eliminating "The Arsenal of Freedom." It's an okay episode, but only okay. Like the rest of season one, it suffers a lot of production problems and has wobbly writing. Back to zero, I guess.

11001001 - 0
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

ELIMINATED:
1. The Arsenal of Freedom

KNH · July 8 2011, 10:03 PM

So, can we stick to what we said in round 1 or do we have to come up with something new now?

BlueStuff · July 9 2011, 12:10 AM

KNH wrote:

So, can we stick to what we said in round 1 or do we have to come up with something new now?

You can stick to what you said in the previous round as long as that episode remains.

11001001 - 0
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

My point goes to Ship in a Bottle. Moriarty struck me as very foolish, and the episode suffers from the TNG cliche of being completely inconsequential.

Geck · July 9 2011, 01:36 AM

11001001 - 0
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 1
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

Giving my point to Ensign Ro - it's a bit slower than many of the others, and I've never liked the way Riker was written in this episode.

KNH · July 9 2011, 01:56 AM

Well then, pretty much repeating myself:

My vote here goes to 11001001. The A-plot about the Bynars was entertaining and decent, but the B-plot with Riker's holo-ho always felt tacked on and detrimonial to the episode to me.

11001001 - 1
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 1
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

Mojochi · July 9 2011, 05:33 AM

I'm going to add another point to 11001001, and I agree. Of all the plot lines in this selection, both primary & secondary, Minuet is the lamest. This strikess me as an episode which might have been much better, had it been done later in the series, & they revamped that subplot around a more worthwhile guest actress, like the way that Famke Jansen was written for. I never did get what was so special about Minuet, because the actress herself was rather fake

11001001 - 2
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 1
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

FKnight · July 9 2011, 08:28 AM

11001001 - 2
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 1
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 1

I'm adding a point to Parallels. The Worf/Troi subplot was kind of distracting, not really bad or anything, I just felt it really didn't follow, even within the parallel quantum universe he was occupying. Plus I like all the other ones better. I did like Borg universe shaggy-beard Riker though.

MHT1138 · July 9 2011, 08:48 AM

11001001 - 2
The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 1
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 1
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 2

I am adding a point to Parallels because I agree that the Worf Troi subplot was weird.

Pseudo · July 9 2011, 02:08 PM

Goodbye 11001001, the A-story is a pretty neat idea, but the Riker/holodeck stuff is dull and the portrayal of Minuet is unconvincing.

The Measure of a Man - 0
A Matter of Honor - 0
The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0
Yesterday's Enterprise - 0
The Wounded - 0
Redemption (I) - 0
Ensign Ro - 0
The Inner Light - 0
Ship in a Bottle - 0
Timescape - 0
Lower Decks - 0
Parallels - 0

July 8 2011, 05:50 PM	#1
BlueStuff Rear Admiral Location: Lafayette, IN	The best episode of TNG - Final Part Something a little different for the final round. To proceed as normal, it would be over very quickly indeed, so here we have the winners and runner ups of each season: Season One: The Arsenal of Freedom Wild Card: 11001001 Season Two: The Measure of a Man Wild Card: A Matter of Honor Season Three: The Best of Both Worlds (I) Wild Card: Yesterday's Enterprise Season Four: The Wounded Wild Card: Redemption (I) Season Five: Ensign Ro Wild Card: The Inner Light Season Six: Ship in a Bottle Wild Card: Timescape Season Seven: Lower Decks Wild Card: Parallels RULES Give what you consider to be the worst/your least favorite episode ONE point, and briefly explain WHY. Be sure to copy and paste the list with your point added. When an episode reaches 3 points, it is eliminated. Then a NEW round begins (in this thread) with the numbers restored to 0. Vote ONCE per round. The Arsenal of Freedom - 0 11001001 - 0 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 Last edited by BlueStuff; July 8 2011 at 06:17 PM.

July 8 2011, 06:09 PM	#2
KNH Commander Location: KNH	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part My vote here goes to 11001001. The A-plot about the Bynars was entertaining and decent, but the B-plot with Riker's holo-ho always felt tacked on and detrimonial to the episode to me. The Arsenal of Freedom - 0 11001001 - 1 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 __________________ 100. If my ship is whisked to the far side of the galaxy, leaving us with a seventy-year journey home, and a super-being offers to take us home instantly in exchange for having his baby, I'll agree and ask what we can get for two babies.

July 8 2011, 06:24 PM	#3
Canadave Vice Admiral Location: Saint Catharines, ON	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part My vote goes to "The Arsenal of Freedom." Just never did much for me. The Arsenal of Freedom - 1 11001001 - 1 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 __________________ My blog!

July 8 2011, 07:57 PM	#4
HaventGotALife Captain Location: Michigan	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part The Arsenal of Freedom - 1 11001001 - 1 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 1 Just because a character changes uniforms doesn't mean that the episode puts forth an interesting idea. Added to that, Worf and Troi? Ick. __________________ To me, Star Trek's stories are about the depth and complexity of human relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

July 8 2011, 08:07 PM	#5
TroiFan4ever Lieutenant Commander Location: Philadelphia, PA	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part Season One: The Arsenal of Freedom Wild Card: 11001001 Season Two: The Measure of a Man Wild Card: A Matter of Honor Season Three: The Best of Both Worlds, Part 1 Wild Card: Yesterday's Enterprise Season Four: The Wounded Wild Card: Redemption, Part 1 Season Five: Ensign Ro Wild Card: The Inner Light Season Six: Ship in a Bottle +1 Wild Card: Timescape Season Seven: Lower Decks Wild Card: Parallels I'm giving "Ship in a Bottle" a point. It was an alright episode and it had potential, but it needed better writers. __________________ All aboard for Vertiform City!

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July 8 2011, 08:37 PM	#6
Pseudo Fleet Captain	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part The Arsenal of Freedom - 2 11001001 - 1 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 1 I've added one to Arsenal of Freedom and reinstated the scores that the previous poster seems to have wiped. Season One contains no great episodes and few good ones. Arsenal of Freedom fits in to another category entirely. Last edited by Pseudo; July 8 2011 at 09:19 PM.

July 8 2011, 09:10 PM	#7
Harvey Admiral	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part I'm eliminating "The Arsenal of Freedom." It's an okay episode, but only okay. Like the rest of season one, it suffers a lot of production problems and has wobbly writing. Back to zero, I guess. 11001001 - 0 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 ELIMINATED: 1. The Arsenal of Freedom __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

July 8 2011, 10:03 PM	#8
KNH Commander Location: KNH	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part So, can we stick to what we said in round 1 or do we have to come up with something new now? __________________ 100. If my ship is whisked to the far side of the galaxy, leaving us with a seventy-year journey home, and a super-being offers to take us home instantly in exchange for having his baby, I'll agree and ask what we can get for two babies.

July 9 2011, 01:36 AM	#10
Geck Rear Admiral Location: Sydney, Australia	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part 11001001 - 0 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 1 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 Giving my point to Ensign Ro - it's a bit slower than many of the others, and I've never liked the way Riker was written in this episode.

July 9 2011, 01:56 AM	#11
KNH Commander Location: KNH	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part Well then, pretty much repeating myself: My vote here goes to 11001001. The A-plot about the Bynars was entertaining and decent, but the B-plot with Riker's holo-ho always felt tacked on and detrimonial to the episode to me. 11001001 - 1 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 1 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0 __________________ 100. If my ship is whisked to the far side of the galaxy, leaving us with a seventy-year journey home, and a super-being offers to take us home instantly in exchange for having his baby, I'll agree and ask what we can get for two babies.

July 9 2011, 05:33 AM	#12
Mojochi Fleet Captain	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part I'm going to add another point to 11001001, and I agree. Of all the plot lines in this selection, both primary & secondary, Minuet is the lamest. This strikess me as an episode which might have been much better, had it been done later in the series, & they revamped that subplot around a more worthwhile guest actress, like the way that Famke Jansen was written for. I never did get what was so special about Minuet, because the actress herself was rather fake 11001001 - 2 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 1 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0

July 9 2011, 08:28 AM	#13
FKnight Commander	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part 11001001 - 2 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 1 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 1 I'm adding a point to Parallels. The Worf/Troi subplot was kind of distracting, not really bad or anything, I just felt it really didn't follow, even within the parallel quantum universe he was occupying. Plus I like all the other ones better. I did like Borg universe shaggy-beard Riker though. __________________ "You have been examined. Your ship must be destroyed. We make assumption you have a deity, or deities, or some such beliefs which comfort you. We therefore grant you ten Earth time periods known as minutes to make preparations."

July 9 2011, 08:48 AM	#14
MHT1138 Fleet Captain Location: Scottsdale, AZ, USA	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part 11001001 - 2 The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 1 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 1 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 2 I am adding a point to Parallels because I agree that the Worf Troi subplot was weird. __________________ Lying is a skill like any other, and if you want to maintain a level of excellence, you have to practice constantly. -Elim Garak

July 9 2011, 02:08 PM	#15
Pseudo Fleet Captain	Re: The best episode of TNG - Final Part Goodbye 11001001, the A-story is a pretty neat idea, but the Riker/holodeck stuff is dull and the portrayal of Minuet is unconvincing. The Measure of a Man - 0 A Matter of Honor - 0 The Best of Both Worlds (I) - 0 Yesterday's Enterprise - 0 The Wounded - 0 Redemption (I) - 0 Ensign Ro - 0 The Inner Light - 0 Ship in a Bottle - 0 Timescape - 0 Lower Decks - 0 Parallels - 0