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Old March 19 2012, 11:17 PM   #196
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Re: Ray's TAS shuttlecraft...

Love to see some originals.

You know, USS Enterprise can be thought of not as a discrete ship, but a system. Oversized shuttles that (like the originals in TAS) would fill up the shuttlebay (scaled at 947 feet or so)--could be kept at certain starbases when not in use. These shuttles would not all be carried by Enterprise all the time--just assigned to it.
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Old March 20 2012, 10:10 AM   #197
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...Or then one might consider the "system" to be a flexible one, where each starbase is stocked with generic hardware plus the black paint necessary for assigning it to a specific starship for a given period of time. Whenever Kirk needed the use of a runabout or an aquashuttle, the nearest starbase would not only tick the right boxes in the transfer forms, but also stencil in the temporary registries and even the requested (nick)names.

I'm still mildly disappointed that this particular shuttle got scaled down to generic "onboard" dimensions, when the beautiful work done with making it sleeker and more plausible would also do justice to a "stretched" version.

Come to think of it, the shuttle might look quite cute if literally just stretched lengthwise after the work is otherwise complete.

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Old March 20 2012, 11:52 AM   #198
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Re: Ray's TAS shuttlecraft...

Here's my take on shuttles in Trek...

Shuttles should fall into two types; generic and esoteric. The basic shuttle is used in a manner similar to a ship's boat in the navy, for relatively short range tasks like transferring personnel between craft or shore bases. Esoteric shuttles would be like carrying a craft dedicated to a specific task, similar to the navy taking on a deep diving ROV or submersible to do a certain job. If your ship is dedicated to a specific job it would carry such a shuttle all the time, but its very unlikely you'd carry them otherwise. In the Trek universe transporter technology pretty much eliminates the need for the classic ships boat, and so shuttles are used only very rarely.

When writing episodes they have to invent a Treknobabble excuse not to use the much more convenient transporter so that they can use a shuttle for its real purpose, which is to isolate characters and put them in danger. You will be hard pressed to think of an episode featuring a shuttle which doesn't end up with it crashed, captured, dead in the water or its occupants taken over.

In short, shuttles dont do a lot and aren't used much, so they're not going to carry lots of them. They're certainly not going to carry a wide range of very specific use shuttles. I know that people will bring up the enormous hangar deck on the Ent-D schematics, but you'll notice we never actually saw it in the series and it was never needed in any episode. The Ent-D also differed greatly from previous ships in being much larger and bloated with lots of cabins and rec facilities for families, something that didn't really continue with the Ent-E.
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Old March 20 2012, 12:42 PM   #199
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...they're not going to carry lots of them.
This is a bit problematic vis-á-vis the TAS episode and the recent movie featuring a veritable shipload of seemingly generic shuttles.

The writers are already pretty good at creating story constraints that allow either the shuttle or the transporter to be excluded from consideration during the week's drama. We shouldn't be too worried about having lots of shuttles available, then; as the recent movie shows, large flocks of shuttles certainly have their uses in emergencies! And I don't recall any story where the writers would have needed a shortage of shuttles; they have always been able to invent a total ban on shuttle use when needed, but when one shuttle is available, then the story basically always allows for other shuttles to be used as well. At least I don't recall any plot where Kirk having as many shuttles as Robau would have weakened the drama...

I'm still more willing to treat the menagerie of TAS shuttle designs as an example of several special craft being aboard alongside the generic ones - and not as an example of there being several slightly different generic shuttle types, let alone there being a transition from one type to another underway.

Although in theory, Kirk could have been carrying a few "older" shuttles in addition to the live-action show's "modern" type. Naturally, the older craft would be clumsier and larger... Namely, of the type that Harry Mudd stole. They'd see very little action usually, but Harry would attempt an escape during a rare moment when they were being given some fresh air on the upper deck.

I totally forget whose artwork this one is, but I love the simple and austere interpretation:



Looks old-fashioned enough...

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Old March 20 2012, 07:34 PM   #200
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^^ I remember throwing that together quite awhile ago.
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Old March 20 2012, 07:48 PM   #201
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Re: Ray's TAS shuttlecraft...

I always liked the look of that. The curved surfaces seem to blend better with the full blown starship design than the shuttle we actually got.

How did you make that, anyway?

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Old March 20 2012, 07:55 PM   #202
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I always liked the look of that. The curved surfaces seem to blend better with the full blown starship design than the shuttle we actually got.

How did you make that, anyway?

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I used Photoshop. I essentially used bits and parts from aircraft pictures and bashed them together.
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Old March 20 2012, 08:11 PM   #203
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Re: Ray's TAS shuttlecraft...

Ah, "croppings" of aircraft fuselages. I wondered if such was the case. At that resolution, the illusion is quite effective. the "grain" actually adds to the effect, making it look like a processed shot from a few decades ago.

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Old March 21 2012, 09:35 AM   #204
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Sorry, the grain is all mine - I stored this one in a much compacted form. The original I remember having been pleasantly smooth and shiny.

...What is being reflected on that windshield?

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Old March 21 2012, 09:44 AM   #205
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...What is being reflected on that windshield?

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I've no real idea. The windshield is a slice from the cockpit of an F-16 if I recall correctly.
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Old March 22 2012, 03:12 AM   #206
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Slow but steady progress. I struggled a bit with this, but finally it came together: the aft nacelle cowling.

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Old March 22 2012, 05:42 PM   #207
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I'm very impressed looks fantastic looking forward to you mirroring the parts to makeup the whole. :tech man:
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Old March 22 2012, 08:28 PM   #208
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I'm very impressed looks fantastic looking forward to you mirroring the parts to makeup the whole. :tech man:
Thanks! This evening I'm going to work on the bits of entailing for the nacelle as well as the support pylon attaching it to the hull. The landing struts will be the last parts before the painting, markings and rendering. One thing I'd like to try adding is a bit of weathering to make it look a bit used.
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Old March 24 2012, 12:53 AM   #209
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You are doing an awesome job!
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Old March 24 2012, 01:45 AM   #210
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Some nacelle details: intercoolers, heat dissipation units, support pylon and lower service access panel.

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