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Old July 16 2011, 12:27 PM   #1
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Worst examples of jobbing?

Jobbing describes a situation where a character defeats another character ('The Jobber') in a way that makes little sense given their relatively power levels because the plot demands it. For example in a Captain America story from a couple of years ago, Cap knocked out the Hulk with one punch to the face.

What examples of jobbing bug you? Who is the biggest jobber in fiction?
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Old July 16 2011, 03:16 PM   #2
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Anytime Superman physically beats Darkseid.
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Old July 16 2011, 05:38 PM   #3
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

The worst example of jobbing has to be from The World According to Garp.

...Oh, you're using a different definition.

(Anyway, my real answer is every time a character with superspeed is given trouble or even defeated by a strategem that would be immediately countered by the fact they're a thousand or ten thousand times faster than you or I. See: The Dark Knight Returns, any given issue of JLA, any given issue of The Flash.)
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Old July 16 2011, 05:55 PM   #4
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

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The worst example of jobbing has to be from The World According to Garp.

...Oh, you're using a different definition.

(Anyway, my real answer is every time a character with superspeed is given trouble or even defeated by a strategem that would be immediately countered by the fact they're a thousand or ten thousand times faster than you or I. See: The Dark Knight Returns, any given issue of JLA, any given issue of The Flash.)
Like the time, Deathstroke took down the Flash by stabbing him in the leg?

More broadly, I think you are correct, that the very concept of Superspeed lends itself to jobbing - otherwise, pretty much flash story should be over in two panels and conclude with the bad-guys wondering why they are naked in a prison cell.
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Old July 16 2011, 05:57 PM   #5
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Old July 16 2011, 06:34 PM   #6
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

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The worst example of jobbing has to be from The World According to Garp.

...Oh, you're using a different definition.

(Anyway, my real answer is every time a character with superspeed is given trouble or even defeated by a strategem that would be immediately countered by the fact they're a thousand or ten thousand times faster than you or I. See: The Dark Knight Returns, any given issue of JLA, any given issue of The Flash.)
Like the time, Deathstroke took down the Flash by stabbing him in the leg?
Indeed, or that time Batman beat up four Martians.

At least a fair number of Flash-specific villains have some sort of anti-speed countermeasure, like Captain Cold and his slows-things-down field, or Mirror Master and his magic powers. But putting the Flash against Deathstroke or Prometheus or anyone like that, he should pretty much never be beaten, or even inconvenienced.

The real kicker is that they always forget that the superspeed characters think at superspeed too. Superman can draw a ten-mile long flow chart on Batman's projected actions and reactions before the latter can toss a Batarang across a room.
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Old July 16 2011, 06:35 PM   #7
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

Batman vs Guy Gardner: One Punch! Bwah hahahaha!
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Old July 16 2011, 06:48 PM   #8
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Hound of UIster wrote: View Post
Anytime Superman physically beats Darkseid.

Ha, it definitely was in the Smallville finale. Talk about cheap!
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Old July 16 2011, 07:29 PM   #9
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Batman vs Guy Gardner: One Punch! Bwah hahahaha!
I don't think that counts, because Guy had agreed in advance not to use his ring, hadn't he? So it was just Batman versus an ordinary mortal, not Batman versus a Green Lantern's powers. In which case, obviously Batman's gonna win.
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Old July 16 2011, 07:34 PM   #10
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The Borg.
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Old July 16 2011, 07:45 PM   #11
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Batman vs Guy Gardner: One Punch! Bwah hahahaha!
I don't think that counts, because Guy had agreed in advance not to use his ring, hadn't he? So it was just Batman versus an ordinary mortal, not Batman versus a Green Lantern's powers. In which case, obviously Batman's gonna win.
Yeah. Guy takes off his ring and hands it to Black Canary, who promptly tosses it away. It's how we ended up with "Nice" Guy.
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Old July 16 2011, 07:55 PM   #12
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

Damn. The point about the Flash is so true I can't think of anything better.

As far as "Batman beats the Martians" thing, that didn't bother me at the time because it was shown to be a result of Batman having figured out who they were and setting a trap. Of course, had I known it was merely the beginning of the Morrison-created "with enough prep time uber-Bat can defeat anyone" cliche I might have felt differently.

Speaking of the "uber-Bat," the more recent "Batman fights Darkseid" thing bothered me more.
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Old July 16 2011, 08:24 PM   #13
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

I'd say Batman vs a lot of people would be an example of an ENTIRE UNIVERSE jobbing to one character. Nothing against Batman, but, seriously, the whole 'prep time' argument has, at this point, become worse than cliche. The man's MORTAL, for crying out loud. He does amazing things, given his relative disabled status compared to DC's metahumans. There's really no need to give him an almost mystical Field of Winning for every single encounter he has with... well, anyone... most of the time, it just makes uberpowerful people (Superman being the best example) look stupid and incompetent for no good reason...

Doctor Doom has much the same problem from the Marvel side... unfortunately, most of the time, the writers rely less on 'prep time' arguments there and just take the lazy way out of the timeworn 'all according to plan' or the perennial 'It was a Doombot'.

It just goes to show that infallible characters can get boring, regardless of moral alignment...
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Old July 16 2011, 08:42 PM   #14
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Of course, had I known it was merely the beginning of the Morrison-created "with enough prep time uber-Bat can defeat anyone" cliche I might have felt differently.
That predates Morrison by decades. A running gag in the Adam West series was that Batman always, always had insanely plot-specific gadgets ready in his utility belt, often accompanied by lectures on the importance of being prepared for anything -- whether it was an Empty Alphabet Soup Bat-Container and Batfunnel or a supply of live fish in case he needed to reward a helpful seal.
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Old July 16 2011, 08:49 PM   #15
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Re: Worst examples of jobbing?

Along those lines, one of the nice things about For the man who has everything is that when Mongul reveals himself, Batman doesn't even consider taking him on and remarks to Robin that the fight between Mongul and Wonder Woman is completely 'out of their league' (or words to that effect) and they get on with doing some detective work, he doesn't even make an attempt to take him on. I think if written today, Batman would slug it out with Mongul and defeat him while Wonder Woman looks like a putz in the corner.
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