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Old July 31 2012, 11:42 PM   #406
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Re: NEW ONGOING STAR TREK SERIES FROM IDW!!!

Having read the Return of the Archons, I am wondering: Is this a confirmation that nuTrek was always a separate universe, or are the authors/writers/artists pretty much ignoring canon?
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Old July 31 2012, 11:53 PM   #407
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^I haven't read the story yet, but is there anything about it that directly and irreconcilably contradicts the aired episode? I gather it establishes that
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Old August 1 2012, 12:37 AM   #408
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^I haven't read the story yet, but is there anything about it that directly and irreconcilably contradicts the aired episode? I gather it establishes that
I think he's referring to the Archon's design, which is odd for several reasons.
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Old August 1 2012, 01:21 AM   #409
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I re-watched the episode again and there are things that could be explained as something misunderstood on one side and the artistic licence on the other. But the general feeling I get from them is that there is something off.
So I would like to point out:

This is what comes first to my mind but there are also some other points that evolve from these.
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Old August 1 2012, 01:33 AM   #410
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^Well, point 3 is simply a difference of interpretation. The original computer looked that way because the show only had so much money and technology at its disposal. Given the chance to go back and change it, Roddenberry wouldn't have hesitated to replace it with something more impressive. (Remember, when TMP gave the Klingons ridged foreheads, he asked fans to assume they'd always looked like that.) Sometimes it's important to keep in mind that TOS was just the best approximation its makers could pull off with the resources and budget available to them, rather than taking it as a literal depiction of events down to the last detail.

As for point 4, we don't know canonically what class of ship the Archon was, and the rendering of the nacelles could just be a matter of the artist using the wrong reference, like the way DC's starship Surak was given three or four different appearances -- an Oberth in one issue, a tiny Excelsior in another, and an indistinct slab of technology in a third.

I still don't know all the details of the story, but from what you say about point 1,
Although, again, I haven't actually read the issue so I can only go from your description.
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Old August 1 2012, 10:46 AM   #411
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^True. I myself could find several explanations that would explain things and be post-split.

Truthfully, the main discomfiture stems from my prejudice – that I view the nuTrek as an independent/separate universe from the beginning rather than an alternative timeline, comparable to FASA and Star Fleet Battles – and I just cannot lose it. And the universe could be made so richer by it.

Also it’s one thing to read old comics that are sooo out there and that just cannot be taken on face value, given the time of their production, and more modern ones, where one would expect them to be more in line. But that is just me.

Well, we shall see what they will do to (if they do) to Nomad, Miri and/or more Earth-centric episodes; not to forget the Gorn in the upcoming game.

Thank you Christopher.
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Old August 1 2012, 01:42 PM   #412
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Also it’s one thing to read old comics that are sooo out there and that just cannot be taken on face value, given the time of their production, and more modern ones, where one would expect them to be more in line. But that is just me.
Well, there's always a learning curve. And some artists are simply better at using photo reference than others. Or maybe that's too judgmental a way of putting it; some artists take a more literal approach while others are more impressionistic.

These days, it's increasingly common in comics (or so it seems to me) for different artists to develop their own characteristic design styles rather than trying to conform to some standardized house style. So the same character can look radically different in two different comics coming out simultaneously or consecutively -- like John Romita, Jr.'s rendering of Peter Parker/Spider-Man versus Humberto Ramos's far more cartoony version, which looks like almost a completely different person. Sometimes technology or equipment design can be just as subject to individual artistic interpretation. So it isn't necessarily about having enough experience to get it "right." Sometimes what seems like inaccuracy is simply artistic license.
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Old August 24 2012, 09:36 PM   #413
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The conclusion to the Tribble story was one of the best so far. It didn't feel rushed, it addressed some niggling plot points, and it made reasonable use of the supporting cast, although I would have liked to see Chapel, a research biologist, or Mulhall, Enterprise's resident astrobiologist, helping McCoy out instead of Spock - it always annoyed me that Spock was such a know-it-all that he muscled in on biological research despite being a physicist. With 400 crew they should use crew assigned to specific posts for the jobs that they're trained to do!

Even Rand got a decent shout in this one, possibly hinting that they might be gearing up for one of the Rand-heavy episodes like the Enemy Within. Not sure why Hendorff has transferred to science department though...
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Old August 24 2012, 10:57 PM   #414
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I liked the solution to the tribble problem.
These ideas show at least some thought went into the comic.

But what I don't like is the two important points where it's clear that significant thought did not go into it, where it's obvious the writers are just trying to use some hand-waving to return the story telling to status quo because they messed up earlier:

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Old August 25 2012, 12:23 AM   #415
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Don't get me started on the merits of long distance beaming - using unmodified communications relays no less. I understand that they want to avoid technobabble but they could introduce technological side effects to come up with some decent reasons to sweep it under the rug. In fact, if the Enemy Within is coming next year, the malfunction could even be attributed to Scotty's tinkering and give us something tangible to put a lid on it.
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Old August 25 2012, 04:52 PM   #416
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The conclusion to the Tribble story was one of the best so far. It didn't feel rushed, it addressed some niggling plot points, and it made reasonable use of the supporting cast, although I would have liked to see Chapel, a research biologist, or Mulhall, Enterprise's resident astrobiologist, helping McCoy out instead of Spock - it always annoyed me that Spock was such a know-it-all that he muscled in on biological research despite being a physicist. With 400 crew they should use crew assigned to specific posts for the jobs that they're trained to do!

Even Rand got a decent shout in this one, possibly hinting that they might be gearing up for one of the Rand-heavy episodes like the Enemy Within. Not sure why Hendorff has transferred to science department though...

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Old August 25 2012, 05:01 PM   #417
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The conclusion to the Tribble story was one of the best so far. It didn't feel rushed, it addressed some niggling plot points, and it made reasonable use of the supporting cast, although I would have liked to see Chapel, a research biologist, or Mulhall, Enterprise's resident astrobiologist, helping McCoy out instead of Spock - it always annoyed me that Spock was such a know-it-all that he muscled in on biological research despite being a physicist. With 400 crew they should use crew assigned to specific posts for the jobs that they're trained to do!

Even Rand got a decent shout in this one, possibly hinting that they might be gearing up for one of the Rand-heavy episodes like the Enemy Within. Not sure why Hendorff has transferred to science department though...

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Old August 25 2012, 10:43 PM   #418
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Are they sweeping it under the rug? Or is this their way of making sure that only the bad guys in the next film have it and not our heroes? All the better to, say, pull an out-of-nowhere attack on the Enterprise from the inside out...
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Old August 25 2012, 11:09 PM   #419
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Are they sweeping it under the rug? Or is this their way of making sure that only the bad guys in the next film have it and not our heroes? All the better to, say, pull an out-of-nowhere attack on the Enterprise from the inside out...
It would be hilarious if in the next film there's a line like "We can't, we're out of transporter range."
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Old August 25 2012, 11:29 PM   #420
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It would be hilarious if in the next film there's a line like "We can't, we're out of transporter range."
What's the problem? It's not like long-range transwarp beaming suddenly become a totally safe and reliable method of transporting sentient, humanoid life.

I picked up my issue of the tribbles conclusion yesterday. A few very funny gags in it that made me remember that they hard a hard act to follow: creating a new first tribbles story that had enough of the tone of both the original and the DS9 episode. The tugging on Scotty's legs was hilarious!

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I would have liked to see Chapel, a research biologist...
Theory: If they intend to add Chapel to the new movie, they'll want her to resemble whichever actress is playing the role.

We know, via Orci, that Rand is not in the sequel, hence she's getting coverage in the comics.
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