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View Poll Results: Rank Vanguard: Declassified
Outstanding 22 36.07%
Above Average 33 54.10%
Average 3 4.92%
Below Average 2 3.28%
Poor 1 1.64%
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Old July 17 2011, 09:07 PM   #61
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Re: Vanguard: Declassified Review Thread

I thought the next Vanguard story was the last one.Am I wrong and there really is two more?
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Old July 17 2011, 09:10 PM   #62
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There are two more: What Judgments Come by Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore in October and Storming Heaven by David Mack in April 2012.
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Old July 18 2011, 03:20 PM   #63
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Re: Vanguard: Declassified Review Thread

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I do have a question related to the Vanguard series: How do the more evocative titles originate? I've discovered that The Bright Face of Danger is a much-used title that seems to have originated with a turn of the century novel by Robert Neilson Stephens, and I think I've tracked down Night's Black Agents, but I'm curious about some other titles, such as The Stars Look Down and The Ruins of Noble Men.
The bolded titles are not from Vanguard? Where are they from? A Google search will usually find them if they're not used in epigraphs within the book.
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Old July 18 2011, 03:54 PM   #64
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Outstanding!!!

The Pennington story and the one by David Mack inperticular!!!!

I love Cervantis Quinn and I can't believe he killed off Bridy Mac so sad!

Also I want more stories about Captain Diego Reyes and Gorkon!!
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Old July 18 2011, 05:15 PM   #65
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BrotherBenny wrote: View Post
MatthiasRussell wrote: View Post
I do have a question related to the Vanguard series: How do the more evocative titles originate? I've discovered that The Bright Face of Danger is a much-used title that seems to have originated with a turn of the century novel by Robert Neilson Stephens, and I think I've tracked down Night's Black Agents, but I'm curious about some other titles, such as The Stars Look Down and The Ruins of Noble Men.
The bolded titles are not from Vanguard? Where are they from? A Google search will usually find them if they're not used in epigraphs within the book.
Those bolded titles were section titles from within Reap the Whirlwind and Precipice, respectively.

The prologue title, "The Fire and the Song" is an allusion to "the fire and the rose are one", the final line from T.S. Eliot's poem "Little Gidding."

Part 1 was "The Brink of Shadow". I just cooked that up.

Part 2, "The Bright Face of Danger", you've already sourced.

Part 3, "Instruments of Darkness" is from Macbeth.

The epilogue, "Ministers of Vengeance", is my invention, and an inversion of the phrase "ministers of grace".

In Precipice, it's more of the same:

Part One, "Such Deliberate Disguises" - from T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men".

Part Two, "Night's Black Agents," is from Shakespeare's Macbeth

Part Three, "One Little Victory", is the title of the first song on the RUSH album Vapor Trails.

Part Four, "The End of Ourselves," is one of my inventions.

The title of my story in Declassified, "The Stars Look Down," is another song title from RUSH's Vapor Trails. It's a song about realizing that one actually has no control over one's own fate, and that the universe is indifferent to our joy and our suffering. The stars look down ... and don't care.

I won't reveal them just yet, but be on the lookout for more Shakespeare-inspired section titles in next year's Vanguard finale, Storming Heaven.
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Old July 18 2011, 06:59 PM   #66
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Ah, I stand corrected.
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Old July 18 2011, 07:39 PM   #67
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I won't reveal them just yet, but be on the lookout for more Shakespeare-inspired section titles in next year's Vanguard finale, Storming Heaven.
But will there be RUSH-inspired section titles?
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Old July 18 2011, 10:51 PM   #68
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Nope. Not in Storming Heaven. All Shakespeare-inspired.
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Old July 19 2011, 07:09 AM   #69
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I don't know why but that makes me a little sad.
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Old July 19 2011, 07:56 PM   #70
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Well, that's because Rush is the music of the universe. There should always be more of that.
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Old July 19 2011, 08:30 PM   #71
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I think I remember hearing that J. Noah Kim was not that author's real name, and I've always wondered if perhaps that was Marco.
J. Noah Kym is not Marco Palmieri.
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Old July 20 2011, 04:08 AM   #72
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Re: Vanguard: Declassified Review Thread

David Mack wrote: View Post
BrotherBenny wrote: View Post
MatthiasRussell wrote: View Post
I do have a question related to the Vanguard series: How do the more evocative titles originate? I've discovered that The Bright Face of Danger is a much-used title that seems to have originated with a turn of the century novel by Robert Neilson Stephens, and I think I've tracked down Night's Black Agents, but I'm curious about some other titles, such as The Stars Look Down and The Ruins of Noble Men.
The bolded titles are not from Vanguard? Where are they from? A Google search will usually find them if they're not used in epigraphs within the book.
Those bolded titles were section titles from within Reap the Whirlwind and Precipice, respectively.

The prologue title, "The Fire and the Song" is an allusion to "the fire and the rose are one", the final line from T.S. Eliot's poem "Little Gidding."

Part 1 was "The Brink of Shadow". I just cooked that up.

Part 2, "The Bright Face of Danger", you've already sourced.

Part 3, "Instruments of Darkness" is from Macbeth.

The epilogue, "Ministers of Vengeance", is my invention, and an inversion of the phrase "ministers of grace".

In Precipice, it's more of the same:

Part One, "Such Deliberate Disguises" - from T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men".

Part Two, "Night's Black Agents," is from Shakespeare's Macbeth

Part Three, "One Little Victory", is the title of the first song on the RUSH album Vapor Trails.

Part Four, "The End of Ourselves," is one of my inventions.

The title of my story in Declassified, "The Stars Look Down," is another song title from RUSH's Vapor Trails. It's a song about realizing that one actually has no control over one's own fate, and that the universe is indifferent to our joy and our suffering. The stars look down ... and don't care.

I won't reveal them just yet, but be on the lookout for more Shakespeare-inspired section titles in next year's Vanguard finale, Storming Heaven.
Thanks.
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Old July 23 2011, 03:09 AM   #73
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2) making the Dauntless a Pyotr Veilikiy-class from Masao Okazaki's Starfleet Museum. So many TOS-era designs wind up being just re-arrangments of Consitution parts, but the Veilikiy has its own lines. Not the prettiest ship, but the design works.
Methinks she's pretty enough:
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I'm curious about some other titles, such as The Stars Look Down and The Ruins of Noble Men.
The Ruins of Noble Men also draws its inspiration from Shakespeare, paraphrasing Mark Antony in Julius Caesar:

Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever livèd in the tide of times.


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Old July 23 2011, 09:06 PM   #74
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Great Book, Marco's story and David Mack's story really stood out. Only 2 more instalments to go. But if you gotta go, go out on top
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Old July 23 2011, 11:49 PM   #75
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I just finished "Almost Tomorrow, and I loved it. It came ascross to me as a Vanguard origin story, and I thought with this in mind it did a great job of showing us the beginnings of some of the relationships, and situations we saw in the rest of the series. My only real complaint is that Tim Pennington and Ming Xiong, two of my favorite Vanguard characters, weren't in the story at all. My Rating: 9/10
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