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Old September 26 2011, 12:17 AM   #166
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

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I've tried so many times to get people to watch the show, but they just roll their eyes and go, "Meh, I'm not into Muppets."
Breaks my heart.

Eh I have no probs with the muppets, its the characters and stories I never liked...or perhaps more accurately, I didn't like the acting on the show much so the characters didn't work for me.

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Old September 26 2011, 01:01 AM   #167
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I'd also say "Back and Back and Back to the Future" is pretty weak, although it is the first episode to hint at D'Argo's complete back story.
Yeah, I suppose, but the bulk of his backstory is all in "They've Got a Secret."
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Old October 17 2011, 12:03 AM   #168
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Finally, I have finished season 3. I got very busy and was doing good for the last few weeks to eek out a couple episodes a week once I hit the half way point of the season. I also knew that Flav was not running into viewing issues and since we were fairly at the same point didn't want to hit any spoilers by accident.

Season 3 is quite the trip.
So we are now dealing with John 2.0, no doubt about that...right? I mean I'm not going to find out ala Ben Reilly/Peter Parker some reveal later am I?

Infinite Possibilites 1&2 was really good. Liked the return of the Ancients and Furlough. I felt this two parter really helped kinda of gel the Farscape universe into a more solid epic. The revelations of the Scaraans(sp) in a team up to take over the Peacekeepers and use the wormhole tech themselves to rule the know universe to them.

Revenging Angel- I don't even know what to think of this episode. It was trippy. So much was happening but this is the episode where our Original John dies, right? I admit to sometimes getting confused on this topic. It reminded me of watching that episode of Angel where he turns into a Muppet. Kinda of ironic really.

I-Yensch,You Yensch: This really could've been a legit three parter like they've done and been part one of Lions Den. The only thing I didn't like was the bumbling simian-esque incompetent arsonists/kidnappers. The main plot of striking a deal to get on board the Command Carrier and turn over the wormhole tech to Peacekeepers to stay ahead of the Scaraans was great.

Into the Lions Den pt1&2: This belongs right up there with any great sci-fi two part story imo. Great, great story telling right here. I think I'm going to miss Crais. In the end he turned out noble despite his misguided start at the shows start for chasing down John. This really should've just been the finale.

Dog with Two Bones: This plays like an epilogue and is just anti-climatic for the first half of the episode. They then pull this stunt of *WHAM* here's a new crew member on Moya. We have our own Neelix but she's got a touch of voodoo in her. At least I follow the explanation of how she is there. Unlike Stark who just seemed to sneak up on me. Speaking of, and a yes/no will suffice, will we circle back around to Stark? Or are we just left with him on his quest to find Zhaan's spirit...which her return in S4 for even a few episodes would be win.

So, John is in the Farscape module, finds out he's going to be a dad and Moya(where did that wormhole come from?) and any lead to Aeryn who took off are gone. I hope to get through S4 as soon as I can. I really feel like this show came together in S3, fewer uneven episodes imo.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:33 AM   #169
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

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Season 3 is quite the trip.
Indeed, I consider it the finest full season of any show ever.

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So we are now dealing with John 2.0, no doubt about that...right? I mean I'm not going to find out ala Ben Reilly/Peter Parker some reveal later am I?
Not sure what you mean exactly. John is still John, even though there were two Johns for a while.

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Infinite Possibilites 1&2 was really good. Liked the return of the Ancients and Furlough. I felt this two parter really helped kinda of gel the Farscape universe into a more solid epic. The revelations of the Scaraans(sp) in a team up to take over the Peacekeepers and use the wormhole tech themselves to rule the know universe to them.
The Scarrans are major players for the rest of the series.

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Revenging Angel- I don't even know what to think of this episode. It was trippy. So much was happening but this is the episode where our Original John dies, right? I admit to sometimes getting confused on this topic. It reminded me of watching that episode of Angel where he turns into a Muppet. Kinda of ironic really.
John didn't die here, he just had a near-death experience. The important thing to take from this one is that while Harvey (and by extension Scorpius) can live for revenge, John can't. He wants to live for Aeryn.

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I-Yensch,You Yensch: This really could've been a legit three parter like they've done and been part one of Lions Den. The only thing I didn't like was the bumbling simian-esque incompetent arsonists/kidnappers. The main plot of striking a deal to get on board the Command Carrier and turn over the wormhole tech to Peacekeepers to stay ahead of the Scaraans was great.
A little frivolity before the big stuff happens.

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Into the Lions Den pt1&2: This belongs right up there with any great sci-fi two part story imo. Great, great story telling right here. I think I'm going to miss Crais. In the end he turned out noble despite his misguided start at the shows start for chasing down John. This really should've just been the finale.
Farscape is nothing if not great at making you care about the villains.

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Dog with Two Bones: This plays like an epilogue and is just anti-climatic for the first half of the episode. They then pull this stunt of *WHAM* here's a new crew member on Moya. We have our own Neelix but she's got a touch of voodoo in her. At least I follow the explanation of how she is there. Unlike Stark who just seemed to sneak up on me. Speaking of, and a yes/no will suffice, will we circle back around to Stark? Or are we just left with him on his quest to find Zhaan's spirit...which her return in S4 for even a few episodes would be win.
We have not seen the last of Stark.

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So, John is in the Farscape module, finds out he's going to be a dad and Moya(where did that wormhole come from?) and any lead to Aeryn who took off are gone. I hope to get through S4 as soon as I can. I really feel like this show came together in S3, fewer uneven episodes imo.
Season 4 will slowly explain who the old woman is and what she wants. Basically she was a prisoner on the command carrier and decided to stick around.

This episode has my all-time favorite cliffhanger, in triplicate. The crew splitting up is meaningful enough, followed by the pregnancy revelation, and finally being stranded. Note that the old woman only said Aeryn is pregnant - the father might not be whom you expect.
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Old October 17 2011, 04:22 AM   #170
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Moya-John and Talyn-John are both John Crichton. The whole point is that neither is a copy. They are both equal and original versions of John Crichton.
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Old October 17 2011, 06:18 PM   #171
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Exactly. It's a bit like an amoeba splitting. I thought it was a nice way to sidestep the idea of one of them being the definitively 'real' John Crichton, although I think the writers also admitted it was a handy reset button - let one John develop far more rapidly in his relationship with Aeryn, and then bam!
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Old October 17 2011, 09:36 PM   #172
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I've tried so many times to get people to watch the show, but they just roll their eyes and go, "Meh, I'm not into Muppets."
Breaks my heart.
I'm curious if this also prevented you from getting into the Star Wars films with Yoda as well. That's not a knock - I know a few people who couldn't get into the films because of the Muppet effect. But it seems those who were able to look beyond the Muppetry and accept Yoda seem to be more likely to accept Rygel and Pilot since they're of Yoda caliber (I contend superior), rather than being like Kermit the Frog.

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Old October 18 2011, 04:24 AM   #173
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

Thanks for the feedback Inkling. I'll look forward to Starks return and maybe another??
So the child's father may not be who I think. Whaaaaa????

The Peter Parker/Ben Reilly comment is in reference to a mid 90's tale dubbed The Clone Saga in the Spiderman books where one of his foes, The Jackal clones him and there is a big to do about which is the real Peter and which is the clone. The accepted clone at the time takes the name Ben Reilly. Named for Uncle Ben and Reilly is May's maiden name. That's what i was getting at with the Moya-John/Talyn-John.

I hope to start S4 later this week but by weekend for sure if I get no interruptions.
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Old October 18 2011, 04:32 AM   #174
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Obligatory Season 4 Warning:

The show has an odd change in tone and production value in the beginning of Season 4. It can be a bit off-putting at first. I still love it, and there's a lot more going on than you might pick up on the first time around, but after Season 3 it might throw you off.
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Old October 18 2011, 12:17 PM   #175
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Obligatory Season 4 Warning:

The show has an odd change in tone and production value in the beginning of Season 4. It can be a bit off-putting at first. I still love it, and there's a lot more going on than you might pick up on the first time around, but after Season 3 it might throw you off.
Agreed. Although the second half of the season is a return to form. And the concluding miniseries is damn near perfect!
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Old November 2 2011, 04:01 AM   #176
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I've started the fourth season and am 8 episodes into it thus far.

I was not really impressed with the season opener, Crichton Kicks, not sure if that's blasphemy. With the way S3 ended I just expected to hit the ground running looking for Aeryn.

That said, I really found lots to like, if not the whole episode in the next 7 episodes. What Was Lost 1&2 were both great! It was a type of Times Arrow type episode, or that's the closest parallel I view it as.

Lava's A Many Splendored Thing was a much deserved break from the drama and tension of the two parter. The schtick of shooting Crichton with the force belt on so he could be in the lava was fun.

So is Scorpius the new Crayce? He's now reluctantly(or not, his motives are shrouded) on board Moya with the crew after allegedly dying and we aren't real sure how he's back as seen in Promises.

John Quixote was great if for no other reason we got to see Stark and Zhaan again even if they were manifestations. At times it had the Wizard of Oz vibe going which for me was more cool since I just saw Wicked over the weekend for the first time.

I Shrink..., was again a more straight up humorous episode. Makes me wonder if every 4th episode is going to be the light hearted one. I liked the one line John said when answering how he was going to beat them all, "Die Hard style, one at a time". Really great but lurking underneath it is the subplot with the Scaraans and their bid to control worm hole tech.


I'm hating having several days of breaks in between viewings cause it'll be the weekend again before I can dive back in with A Perfect Murder.
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Old November 2 2011, 04:07 AM   #177
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"A Prefect Murder" is probably my least favorite episode of the entire series, not because of the story, but because of the way they tell it.

I'm glad you're liking Season 4. What are your opinions of Sikozu and Noranti? Most people hated them the first time around, but I actually found by the end of the show that they were some of my favorite characters.
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Old November 2 2011, 04:18 AM   #178
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Sikozu I'm liking thus far. She came off, imo, more likeable right off the intro than Jool. That said I've warmed up to Jool more now as well, probaly in part to the two parter What Was Lost.

I still haven't warmed up to Noranti, I don't sense any connection with her or how she can progress relationships or motives on Moya.
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Old November 2 2011, 04:20 AM   #179
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Yeah, Noranti was kind of an odd duck. I didn't really start liking her until "Bringing Home the Beacon" towards the end of the season.
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Old November 5 2011, 11:41 PM   #180
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I have had a lazy Saturday and made use of it by getting another 5 episodes under my belt.

A Perfect Murder: This felt like a typical sci-fi episode. My only beef with them using this episode at this point was that they just entered Tormented Space and the episode was all planet based. I really could've gone for some crazy visuals actually in, you know Tormented Space. It was a standard two sides against the middle with, as John says, the Beekeeper using his bugs to have Aeryn be that antagonist that restarts the clans into war again.

Coup by Clam: Not much really going on here imo. I was bit underwhelmed with this episode. The only element I felt that should've moved character interaction forward was Scorpius ingesting clams from both types to allow the others a prolonged duration. This should've built some trust, if temporary, but the episode ends and there is nothing of note from this seeming sacrifice on Scorpius' part.

It isn't obvious but the next 3 episodes are another 3-parter with Unrealized Reality/Kansas/Terra Firma:
These were all great episodes imo, right in the middle of the season. I couldn't help but feel a bit of nuBSG midseason 4 similarity. They arrive at Earth, just 1986, like it seemed BSG was on Earth, just nuked at Revelations(yes I went and looked at my boxset for the title ) Liked the conversation between Caroline and Aeryn about what/who John wants. Thought that was interesting if a bit short. Really the whole "aliens among them" went well during Terra Firma. I guess if most aliens were actually bipedal humanoids and spoke some English I'd be less startled also. The brief mention of 9/11 was a nice touch.

Good midway point of the season. So back on Moya and into space from here on out. Shame about D.K. and his wife getting killed though.
Got plans tonight and I'm going to the Titans/Bengals game tomorrow but when I resume it's episode Twice Shy. Is the return to Tormented Space good?
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