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Old September 18 2011, 02:34 AM   #151
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

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Okay... I'm 2 eps into season 4 and i'm baffled beyond belief right now...

SPOILERS AHOY!!!!!!!!!
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when the hell did Scorpius get captured by Grayza? during the "previously on Farscape" intro to ep 2 of season 4, you see clips of him, his 2nd in command, and Grayza.... but I never saw those scenes. i went back into the last ep of season 3 and the first ep of season 4 and can't find anything. help please!

i'll post my thoughts on season 3 once i get this whole thing figured out. i still gotta wrap my head around what exactly is happening over the last few eps. it seems the writers were fried out of their skulls and went completely off the tracks while writing this last arc. i've never been so confused watching something like i am right now... and i'm not confused in a good way
There is a deleted scene from Dog With Two Bones that shows Grayza taking command away from Scorpius and giving it to Braca. The previouslies come from that deleted scene. Weird, yeah.

The first half of season 4 is pretty crazy, and it took me three times to really get what was going on. So don't fret. Things will make more sense as the season continues.
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Old September 18 2011, 04:19 AM   #152
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

Season 4 really isn't all that complicated; it's just got a bit of an odd shift in tone and kind of feels like a different show. The transition between Seasons 3 and 4 was definitely not as smoothe as it could have been.
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Old September 18 2011, 04:52 AM   #153
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The first half of the season is the weird, awkward part. It's the only "section" of the series that I regularly skip when rewatching. The last half was pretty much on par with the rest of the show, though.
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Old September 18 2011, 04:24 PM   #154
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

My viewing has gotten behind. Some personal and professional matters have stunted my S3.

I did manage to watch Eat Me, Thanks for Sharing and Green Eyed Monster so far this weekend to finish up disc 2.

So far every episode this season has been good.

Eat Me gave me a pseudo-Night of the Living Dead type feel. A good horror-esque episode.

Green Eyed Monster felt like it was partially riffing that scene in Empire where the Falcon flies into the "asteroid".

I'm going to the Titans game now but maybe I can watch a few more tonight and tomorrow(I have Monday off).
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Old September 18 2011, 04:55 PM   #155
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

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The first half of the season is the weird, awkward part. It's the only "section" of the series that I regularly skip when rewatching. The last half was pretty much on par with the rest of the show, though.
Yeah. There are a few in there that I still watch (Crichton Kicks, John Quixote, etc). It's not really until you get to the halfway point with "Unrealized Realities" that it gets back to traditional Farscape form.

Even so, the first half of the season has a lot of subtle stuff going on that you might not realize the first time around.
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Old September 19 2011, 02:18 AM   #156
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

I agree somewhat. I enjoyed a decent number of the first half of season four, but the second half is much better. Even so, the first half could still be considered better than your average sci-fi show.
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Old September 19 2011, 01:49 PM   #157
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

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There is a deleted scene from Dog With Two Bones that shows Grayza taking command away from Scorpius and giving it to Braca. The previouslies come from that deleted scene. Weird, yeah.

The first half of season 4 is pretty crazy, and it took me three times to really get what was going on. So don't fret. Things will make more sense as the season continues.
aha! thank you. things are starting to make more sense the further i get into season 4... though it is still a bit crazy. i'll post some season 3 thoughts when i get home from work
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Old September 19 2011, 09:25 PM   #158
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

I've tried so many times to get people to watch the show, but they just roll their eyes and go, "Meh, I'm not into Muppets."
Breaks my heart.
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Old September 22 2011, 01:47 AM   #159
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I've tried so many times to get people to watch the show, but they just roll their eyes and go, "Meh, I'm not into Muppets."
Breaks my heart.
Ditto. They don't know what they're missing ...
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Old September 22 2011, 01:49 AM   #160
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

I usually go, "It has Muppets!" and then my friends get excited and watch it. I have converted many Farscape fans in my day.
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Old September 22 2011, 04:10 PM   #161
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

Okay, over the course of the last couple days, due to a nasty cold and being stuck on the couch, I have finished watching Farscape. Obviously......

*SPOILERS AHOY!!!!!!!!!!*

I guess I'll start with thoughts on season 3. overall, probably my least favorite season. The Clone Saga was just too much for me. it was very obvious Crichton v2.0 would kick the bucket and as such, his sacrifice lost a lot of oomf. the stories told with v2.0 were decent, the end of that arc just fell flat which hurt the whole thing.

the end of season 3/beginning of s4 confused the bejeebus out of me, but i think i finally was able to comprehend what was happening. BTW, the crew did pick up Noranti during the evac of Scorpius' ship, right? I was bummed to see Crais and Talyn bite it so quick. I dug those two a lot and while I like how they went out sacrificing themselves, I really wished they would have made it to the end and bit the bullet then... and speaking of Talyn, both he and Moya are probably my favorite ships in a scifi show. Both were truly characters... MUCH more so than the Enterprise was in ST in my eyes. They weren't just characters, they were characters with a lot of depth. That's never happened in any scifi show i've ever watched.

season 4 i think was better than 3. Eventually during this season, I came to... tolerate, I suppose... Chiana. The new dame, Sikozu, I thought was an interesting character... and it certainly didn't hurt that she's bangin as all hell Noranti was also a fun character. all the different potions and "powders" she came up with were great. in the end, I liked her more than Zhaan in the herbalist role. I LOVED the episode "Kansas". when i first saw a time travel ep, my thought was "oh Jesus H Christ no....", as I despise time travel stories outside of Back to the Future and Bill&Ted. this one, though, was fantastic. Rygel going all Cornholio with a sugar rush was a frickin trip. Kit Kats!!!!!!!! Aeryn watching Sesame St and doing ABCs, Chiana partying out, Rygel stealing trick or treaters candy.... loved it.

The Peacekeeper Wars wrapped up pretty much everything fairly nicely. D'Argo going out in a blaze of glory was fitting, but I was definitely bummed to see it happen. He was one of those characters I didn't realize i liked so much until he died... and the entire ending with Crichton and Aeryn naming the baby after him almost had me balling. Hey, what was up with Pilot's voice in these eps? it didn't sound like Pilot from s1-4 at all. new voice actor I guess?

some random thoughts...

Harvey was great. Nosferatu Harvey, beach trunks Harvey, 70s cop Harvey... awesome.

while the actual stories of most stand alone eps were bleh imo, they still ended up be a ton of fun because of the actors. this may be my favorite cast of any scifi show.

Fanastic use of Muppets, especially Rygel and Pilot as I've brought up before.

Scorpius.... overused. face turn was too repetitive after the same thing happened with Aeryn & Crais. don't get me wrong, a great character, well acted, interesting... but we reached the saturation point with him at some point in season 3.

oh, i just remembered. how the hell did no one on the Scarran outpost know who Scorpius, or for that matter, ANY of the Moya crew were? They were all public enemy #1, yet no one recognizes them? one thing this show excelled at was plot holes... such as... Scorpius being a Scarran double agent for 10 years which we learn when he's being interogated at the end of season4... this got completely swept under the carpet in TPW with a dinky throwaway line. fortunately, while there were a ton of moments, they didn't have too much of a negative impact on the story.

Overall, I currently rank Farscape #3 on my list of fav scifi shows, tied with Ghost in the Shell: SAC, but behind B5 (1) and DS9 (2). That said, I think it absolutely craps on the rest of the ST shows, Firefly and the dreadful nuBSG. Farscape is FUCKING AWESOME. I can't wait to do another run of it. I would like to thank everyone on this message board who keeps posting threads on it, otherwise, i never would have watched.
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Old September 22 2011, 04:33 PM   #162
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Hey, what was up with Pilot's voice in these eps? it didn't sound like Pilot from s1-4 at all. new voice actor I guess?
No, Pilot is still voiced by Lani Tupu (Crais), same as always. The post-processing was just different.
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Old September 25 2011, 04:57 PM   #163
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

I'm watching Farscape for the first time, on AXN - they're in season 1 now, showing an episode per day, every work day. They're showing episodes out of order, but so far it seems it doesn't matter. The last episodes I've seen are Rhapsody in Blue and Till the Blood Runs Clear (The Flax is airing tomorrow), but I've missed episodes 4, 5 and 6 (Throne for a Loss, Back and Back and Back to the Future and Thank God It's Friday, Again).

Is it important to see them, and how important is it to see every episode of Farscape in general? So far the stories have been standalone rather than tied to an arc, but there have been some important character moments and revelations. Are there episodes that can be skipped, and which are those that have to be seen?
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Old September 25 2011, 05:01 PM   #164
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Re: Farscape First time watch thread....

If you missed those three episodes, you're probably fine. I don't think anything of particular importance happens in them (there is an alien in "Throne for a Loss" that pops up again in Season 2, but it's still not overly important).

Farscape has a lot of standalone episodes in the first season. They're not all terribly important to the plot, but you do learn things about all the characters. Frankly, "Back and Back and Back to the Future" is one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series. It's no big loss if you don't watch it.

In Season 1, the episodes that I would absolutely watch are:

PK Tech Girl
DNA Mad Scientist
They've Got a Secret
The Flax
Durka Returns
A Human Reaction
A Bug's Life
Nerve/The Hidden Memory (two-parter)
Family Ties
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Old September 25 2011, 11:43 PM   #165
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I'd also say "Back and Back and Back to the Future" is pretty weak, although it is the first episode to hint at D'Argo's complete back story.
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