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Old August 15 2011, 02:02 PM   #91
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

I'd rather they go find some new aliens to play with. The thing about animation is that they can create quite a remarkable range of creatures other than humanoid that are just as capable of interacting dramatically with the protagonists as are any "humanoid" CG puppets.

Cross Trek with Farscape and it starts to be interesting again...at least visually.
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Old August 15 2011, 03:22 PM   #92
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

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Blanks that could be filled in, if Star Trek had more than a couple of hours to play with...
Not exactly animated series-only territory. A live-action series could cover this same topic in-depth.
I think deciding on who the audience is for a animated TV series is a huge hurdle before plot lines can realistically be considered.

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I'd rather they go find some new aliens to play with. The thing about animation is that they can create quite a remarkable range of creatures other than humanoid that are just as capable of interacting dramatically with the protagonists as are any "humanoid" CG puppets.
I agree. TAS allowed for better aliens but the Xindi War in ENT showed how expensive photorealistic CGI characters (Xindi Aquatics & Xindi-Insectoids) cost and an animated series done like The Clone Wars would be a lot cheaper.
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Old August 16 2011, 07:30 AM   #93
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

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Not so much a series, more the odd feature-length animation based on the Shatnerverse novels. Sort of in the spirit of WB's various Batman and other superhero efforts on DVD. Sort of Clone Wars in what are potentially lost entries in the film series.

The Ashes of Eden is perfect. While mostly set between VI and the Generations opening scenes, it's framed at the beginning and end, with Spock visiting Kirk's grave and Starfleet carving up the Enterprise's saucer section - removing any evidence for Veridians to find. It also has that moment set during Kirk's younger days going up against the Vampire Cloud. I'd get Chris Pine to provide the voice for that part. Various TOS cast members back in their roles, with likely impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. It was done as a graphic novel and I loved that the villain was human and an old rival of Kirk's. Pulling the Enterprise-A out of mothballs and having it go down fighting, IIRC against Excelsior and the rest of Starfleet.

Then do The Return but some adjustment here and there to make it better. I like its mix of Kirk and Spock alongside a TNG crew (split between differing new assignments after Generations) plus Bashir & Quark putting in a cameo. The female Romulan with a grudge against Kirk, enough to go grave robbing and use him in her plan is a solid idea. Even the alliance with the Borg is interesting, going along with her aim - have Kirk conditioned enough to kill Picard. At this stage in TNG, they would want their one weakness - the knowledge he retained as Locutus, taken out. That's a novel way to tantalise the Kirk v Picard crowd, even if it's a showdown we're ultimately deprived of. I'd probably rework this to include the launch of the Enterprise E somehow, given it's set between TNG films - rather than the Defiant-class ship that's temporarily given the name toward the end. Plus the Borg homeworld being the machine planet V'Ger encountered is perhaps one element of fanwank too far. I'd continue to keep the Borg Queen out of this... as the book did. Written before First Contact reached the screen, she hadn't even been thought of and I preferred the Borg back before she was around anyway. With their assimilation of a key person as mouthpiece, a Romulan called Vox in this case.

The style of those two books lend themselves well to animation, not being at all challenging or cerebral - just action adventure. Ashes I remember looking impressive as panels, flowing one after another in a comic. The Kirk-centric plot is advantageous in the current climate, while involving the TNG crew and even a shout out to DS9 offers fans of other generations something for afters. Between the two adventures, it covers all the bases of having some audience familiarity. Dare I say even 15 years on.

Get an agreement from CBS to do those two stories and hope to get around to adapting Avenger. If the first doesn't meet with the kind of success they expect - ratings, DVD/Blu ray sales, downloads whatever - further rewrite The Return to rush Kirk back to full heath by the end, alive and well in the 24th Century. Then consider it job done - two animated movies that redeem Generations, by exorcising the death of Kirk so many (even those involved) regret.

At least the effort will make the wait between Abramsverse films more bearable, while adding something else to reinterest fans in the back catalogue of TOS/TNG already seen countless times over.
Brilliant, really....
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Old August 16 2011, 09:37 PM   #94
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Since Romulus still exists in this universe, the one Star Trek apparently means to stay in for the foreseeable future - I do strongly think that unimportance ought to change.
The Rommies are perennially at the top of my list for development. They're still largely cyphers and Trek XI did nothing to change that. Nero & the gang could have been any kind of alien. TOS and TNG depicted them somewhat inconsistently. Kurtzman & Orci have the chance to make up Trek's mind about the Rommies and go for it.

I'm not quite as keen on the Andorians, but an animated series should mix in the new and the old. Since a major proportion of the audience is going to be kids, the old stuff will be new to them anyway. Bring back the Doomsday Machine and freak the kids out!
I'm keen for somebody to take the Romulans and do for them, what TNG & DS9 did for the Klingons, in everything since "Sins of the Father". Maybe even try to unseat the foul smelling barbarians as the Number #1 Star Trek villains.
I always think of what DS9 did with the Cardassians as the template for how to develop villains. The Klingons are controversial - was it a good thing or a bad thing to turn them into jovial space pirates, whose blather about "honor" is often just hypocrisy? But the Cardies manage to be diverse - Garak, Dukat and Damar are all distinct individuals - without being diffuse, so that we still have sense of what binds them together as a species
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Old August 17 2011, 06:29 PM   #95
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

I was watching Transformers Prime by the same producers (The ones that want a Trek show -Orsi and Kurtzman) and noticed that a lot of the mythological elements from Generation One Transformers were brought into the new show.

I hope to see more with the new Starfleet as it would be post Nemesis. I hope they go forward instead of backward. I also hope it isn't totally made for children. If it's the only Star Trek show on the air, I am hoping it would be something adults will watch too.

I'd like to see the writers of the episodes and Trek literature become involved in this project if it has any substance. If it's only marketed for the ten year old crowd, I'll really be disappointed.
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Old August 17 2011, 07:14 PM   #96
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

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Not so much a series, more the odd feature-length animation based on the Shatnerverse novels. Sort of in the spirit of WB's various Batman and other superhero efforts on DVD. Sort of Clone Wars in what are potentially lost entries in the film series.

The Ashes of Eden is perfect. While mostly set between VI and the Generations opening scenes, it's framed at the beginning and end, with Spock visiting Kirk's grave and Starfleet carving up the Enterprise's saucer section - removing any evidence for Veridians to find. It also has that moment set during Kirk's younger days going up against the Vampire Cloud. I'd get Chris Pine to provide the voice for that part. Various TOS cast members back in their roles, with likely impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. It was done as a graphic novel and I loved that the villain was human and an old rival of Kirk's. Pulling the Enterprise-A out of mothballs and having it go down fighting, IIRC against Excelsior and the rest of Starfleet.

Then do The Return but some adjustment here and there to make it better. I like its mix of Kirk and Spock alongside a TNG crew (split between differing new assignments after Generations) plus Bashir & Quark putting in a cameo. The female Romulan with a grudge against Kirk, enough to go grave robbing and use him in her plan is a solid idea. Even the alliance with the Borg is interesting, going along with her aim - have Kirk conditioned enough to kill Picard. At this stage in TNG, they would want their one weakness - the knowledge he retained as Locutus, taken out. That's a novel way to tantalise the Kirk v Picard crowd, even if it's a showdown we're ultimately deprived of. I'd probably rework this to include the launch of the Enterprise E somehow, given it's set between TNG films - rather than the Defiant-class ship that's temporarily given the name toward the end. Plus the Borg homeworld being the machine planet V'Ger encountered is perhaps one element of fanwank too far. I'd continue to keep the Borg Queen out of this... as the book did. Written before First Contact reached the screen, she hadn't even been thought of and I preferred the Borg back before she was around anyway. With their assimilation of a key person as mouthpiece, a Romulan called Vox in this case.

The style of those two books lend themselves well to animation, not being at all challenging or cerebral - just action adventure. Ashes I remember looking impressive as panels, flowing one after another in a comic. The Kirk-centric plot is advantageous in the current climate, while involving the TNG crew and even a shout out to DS9 offers fans of other generations something for afters. Between the two adventures, it covers all the bases of having some audience familiarity. Dare I say even 15 years on.

Get an agreement from CBS to do those two stories and hope to get around to adapting Avenger. If the first doesn't meet with the kind of success they expect - ratings, DVD/Blu ray sales, downloads whatever - further rewrite The Return to rush Kirk back to full heath by the end, alive and well in the 24th Century. Then consider it job done - two animated movies that redeem Generations, by exorcising the death of Kirk so many (even those involved) regret.

At least the effort will make the wait between Abramsverse films more bearable, while adding something else to reinterest fans in the back catalogue of TOS/TNG already seen countless times over.
Brilliant, really....
Meh, I would like the Ashes of Eden idea if it followed the book more.

Also with the Return can Riker not be a douche in a film version.
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Old August 17 2011, 07:59 PM   #97
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Meh, I would like the Ashes of Eden idea if it followed the book more.

Also with the Return can Riker not be a douche in a film version.
His character starts off well, during the opening Veridian attack - a diversion away from being with Spock at Kirk's graveside - where he loses somebody. Pulling this arm out of the rubble, with the rest of her disintergrated. But yes, the rest of the time he's basically pulling rank over Bashir, and chewing others out.

What I do find great, is Picard being more like the TV character, than the action hero he was in the films. The first time he's in the book, it's on a mission with Beverly Crusher and some Special Forces-type from Starfleet, to a Starbase that's been assimilated. He's vulnerable and it's a bit reminiscent of "Chain of Command". There using his Locutus alter-ego to get in and out with intelligence on them.

The ending is pretty contrived, in expectation of a follow-up. Borg tech running through Kirk's system, being diagnosed irreversible, basically leads to another sacrifice like Data's in Nemesis and that's a bit pointless given the whole point of him being resurrected. Having struggled through Avenger and Kirk's fate resolved there so implausably it can only be referred to and described matter-of-factly by the character - I feel if this were being adapted for the screen, they would just fix him and leave no part of The Return left dangling. He helps destroy the Borg central node. Both Picard & Kirk get back to the Enterprise and the other demands the nanites be removed, expecting to die but some residule bio energy from Chal changes the rules or whatever.
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Old September 15 2011, 05:18 AM   #98
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Re: A New Modern Trek Animated Series

Anyone see the dragonfly shuttle and Bismarck Class Enterprise of Final Frontier??

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...Final_Frontier

Everything but the animation is here...storyboards, script..etc

http://zeroroom.squarespace.com/
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I must be the only one who missed those details.
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